What reasons do followers give- that RSE is real?

What experiences led to your opinion that RSE is, or isn't, a cult ? Address issues; no flaming tolerated.
Vanilla
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What reasons do followers give- that RSE is real?

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Some I can think of are, when I ask:

Jz gave a scholarship, she must be good.

I have seen things, that make me believe.

Jz treats her kids well, so she must be good.

I "allow" you to be you, Now you "allow" me to be me.

It's "My truth"



But to me, none of that means Ramtha is real. There is no such thing as my truth. If it cannot be proven, it's not true. For everybody.

I cannot "allow" people to throw away their minds, either.

What have you guys heard? When you try to enlighten people to the real truth?
ex
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i asked 2 similar questions when i left.:1 what did you learn at rse which you cannot learn during live or somewhere else.2.:did you see a real miracle? on both questions there r similar vague answers. if i closed in on the miracles there was never a real one. if you visit a beginner not ever to come back. that would be the wise thing to do.
Ockham
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Something I've asked ramsters is why doesn't Ramtha do better about getting the dates right on stuff he predicts? The stock answer involves Ramtha being independent of time, being in higher dimension, etc. I asked why Ramtha doesn't look at a newspaper or calendar at the disaster's space-time location so he could come back here and tell us the correct date. It was a bit of a Eurka! moment for one person when I asked that question.
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All the excuses that rse give on JZ's 'time' and 'date' issues are just that. There is absolutely no excusing an unlimited god that JZ purposes to be not knowing, understanding or operating by the time the rest of us earthlings operate by. We have a calendar here on earth. It is used around the world, in every country that considers itself civilized. Everyone understands how it works and is held to the standards of its operation. If you are supposed to be to work at 8 am on April 21, 2011, then any person on the planet can figure that simple time/space issue out. Why can't Ramtha? Excusing away erroneous predictions with the same old story,"But Ramtha isn't in our timeline," doesn't sell. If this were the case, how does he make it to every event he calls, ON TIME?
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QUOTE: "What have you guys heard? When you try to enlighten people to the real truth?"

Usually the response is a thought stopping cliche...but when questioning that sort of response, there is often just a blank from the follower.
For example, after I left RSE and returned to a more normal life, I had a couple of RSE followers tell me that I had "...given my power away; and that they would not be giving theirs away like that."
They didn't have a come back when I asked them what power they were referring to.

Similarly, they didn't seem to be willing to consider that they were like parasites in that they were enjoying living off the abundance that resulted through the work and kindness of others (they do not earn an income), while claiming their own sovereignty. That is very much like an ant; for it and its whole colony lives off of the spoils of others. So too will an ant and colony often kill anything in its path to feed off of it.

Another interesting point that baffles the RSE follower is why do they on one hand work so hard to preserve themselves from the 'predicted' impending doom of the earth so that they will survive it, while on the other hand apparently focus on leaving it as something other than an incarnate human? It is not appreciated to point out that if credence is given to the the philosophy that is promoted at RSE (C & E=R), all the attention that is being paid to accumulating the worldly supports of food, water and shelter, pretty much assures remaining tied to the physical reality of life on earth.

Again there is a blank from most RSE followers when illuminating the similarity between all the attention being paid to mundane support systems for life while hoping to be free of the need for it, as being like focusing on a card in the field for hours only to find that one is immediately at the fence by the latrines the instant that nature calls. There is an unwillingness to recognize the habit of not seeing seeing the mental habit of self concern as an obstacle to what they perceive to be ascension.

Perhaps the most disturbing thing about all of this DTC is that those followers who think that they are prepared, are actually looking forward to the predicted earth changes :shock: . No concern for all those who may perish in such a situation...just the hope that they don't need to 'deal' with those who may come looking for assistance; for some have made preparations for that as well.

There just isn't the recognition that the RSE follower is living in and driven by a constant state of fear. Fear of perishing, fear of having their 'sovereignty' threatened, fear of loosing all that they have put away, fear of not 'making it out of here alive', fear, fear, fear. Where is the joy of life itself in all of that focus on fear and on being elsewhere or on something other than human? Where is the consciousness and energy of all that fear taking them if the RSE philosophy is to be believed? To that they have no answer...other than that is their 'unknown'. Tragic :sad: .

With love, Kensho
"Don't let any person bring you so low as to hate them."
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Another interesting point that baffles the RSE follower is why do they on one hand work so hard to preserve themselves from the 'predicted' impending doom of the earth so that they will survive it, while on the other hand apparently focus on leaving it as something other than an incarnate human? It is not appreciated to point out that if credence is given to the the philosophy that is promoted at RSE (C & E=R), all the attention that is being paid to accumulating the worldly supports of food, water and shelter, pretty much assures remaining tied to the physical reality of life on earth.
This is what always bugged me Kensho - sometimes I struggled not to stand up and argue with JZ during those doomsday talks- "Hang on a minute, you've been telling me I'm god and should be trying to get beyond earthly living and emotion, yet you're trying to access my emotion of fear by talking about catastrophes and the end of the world and how I must survive?!?! :shock: Something never did compute there. Those thought stoppers always had a way of silencing me though... shame on me for letting them.

On the positive side, I have now taken on board that it is thoroughly okay to question and find out more about things that I'm not sure about. And I have really learned to stand up for myself.

Always love your articulate ways Kensho. :) Thanks for sharing your insights and wisdom.

Appealing
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Appealing and Kensho, I agree too.

The school attracts people who want to make more money, gamble and win, see the cards in a casino with the mind..like magic, you get that which you desire by doing something ancient people in secret societies did.
But when you pay and are there ready to learn, you are told thats bad.


Looking good, is bad too.
I remember a story I heard Ram tell, that women get in shape so they can have a tight ass to f--- and then their boyfriends leave them for a fat girl. That when you care about how you look your mind TRANSFORMS into the scale and the gym. Thats all there is to your brain. So if you want to ascend, leave that behind. Nobody should be prettier than JZ.


My brother told me a story, he said
I used to tell you it was all lies and you would say, but someone levitated. And I would ask you, well did you see it? and you would say, No, but its TRUE. Blind faith.
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I listen to stories from family and friends at rse. The miracles. Its always someone else. What i want to point out, is no one wants to be a failure. So most stories are always fabrications or truley believed manisfestations. One of the last sessions I attended. One of the teachers had said they manifested a gold coin. The story goes, after focus I drove to the store and found a coin in the pharmacy parking lot. Great.... so someone is upset and worried somewhere they lost that coin. That was my thought, anyway. Did they go to ask if any one lost any thing significant that should be returned?

Its sad. They really do place their minds as doing miracles. And they will do bigger ones. It has done great damage to my loved ones still involved. I can not get into that now for very personal reasons. It's physical and finacial. Devastating!!
ex
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hi rooster. good that you looked through rse. i too made the experience that every miracle of rse could be manipulated. in the time i doubted i asked many people a view questions: how do you know ramtha is real? the two answers were: it doesn't matter if he is not real if not jz is the big kahuna. i experienced it i know he is real. [both answers you can hear from stage i suspected major brain wash]. the next was: what experience did you have at rse you can't have somewhere else. there it got mostly very thin. getting saved by the ram out of a ufo was the greatest. did you experience a real miracle? everyone said yes if you asked deeper there was only minor things blown out of proportion or second hand ones. finally i figured out that everybody in a cult basically deals with the same issues. the same old same old is the biggest giveaway. sadly there is rse good in exchanging the audiences. this year were a lot on puplic record which proofed her wrong. people should wake up. good luck.
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@ Rooster

I can sympathize with your experience of having loved ones in RSE cult. I don't have family there. But I still have a few old friends there who are devoted followers. I love them and worry about some. For example one of my friends gave up everything forever ago to move to yelm. She is alone....aging....no family....and has a few friends. Sometimes I wonder who she has in here life if she ever could free her mind from that cult. She knows she can call me any time she wants.

The damage that 'cults' like this do to people is devestating and so hard to put into words. I can remember a time where I almost went completely crazy and was really at the bottom of my luck after I left the school. There was no body to consult with about my life. Fortunately I had my dad...just my dad. Some like I say...don't have any family anymore. 'Change' and 'transition' back into an 'independent life' is messy. There is a lot of pain. There are a lot of feelings that go without being dealt with. Questions and memories unanswered.

After recently posting about my experiences with the school, I can't describe how at piece I feel now. I even one morning recently wrote on a piece of paper questions about what troubled me about my experiences with RSE and decided that I need to settle this! Then I started searching online and stumbled on this forum. Then I went about expressing what I needed. And now I am looking again at my papers with the questions. And I can just through them away even though I didn't answer them on paper. I feel very much 'healed' of some of my burdens. People need to be able to honestly talk all this out....free of judgement! So they too can heal!

Why is RSE real? I don't know what to say to that. Other than "What is RSE?" and "why?" does one need it? I have seen wonderful things come out of that school. And I have seen a lot of harm as well. A lot! When people are broken from their experiences and their banks bled out......sometimes they are broken beyond repair and beyond words or reasoning.

One thought I had about 'enlightenment' and 'knowledge' the other day is this: One could say "Well I need RSE because there is nothing like it and where else am I going to be taught this stuff?" I say "enlightenment has ALWAYS been found by people in the world. It can't be hidden. It always gets found. Otherwise why would we have all the many books we do that inspire us each personally to meaningful personal change! As I see it, RSE has no meaningful purpose as it stands now the way it is. If it were gone....that would not stop anyone from living their destiny in the world! All the right knowledge always finds everyone at all times.
MindState
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There are many great posts here! I was just catching up with all of them. I'm late to this discussion. Instead of commenting on all of them....I just want to hone in on one of the biggest ones I see a lot.

What about these "miracles"? Has anyone seen these claimed miracles at RSE? For me, I haven't seen people levitating....manifesting objects from nothing....etc. Anyone has every right to question 'miracles' at RSE. And I don't see what all the fuss is as far as what they are trying to pass off as 'miracles'. I am not particularly fond of JZ or the way she preaches here philosophies. She may 'like' her walk....she may wish everyone do what she does and follow her instruction. But it sure is boring hearing her talk about it! And there is nothing to show for it either. So there's no aspect of disciplines like this that could really show anyone anything substantial. Nothing strikes me as 'humble' about her either. She's just a person. It was much easier hearing Ram 'If' he's real at all! I'm not promoting RSE though!

My take about 'miracles' goes like this: I don't ask you to believe in them. It is not my business what you believe. 'If' one ...'dares' to question if it is possible that 'God lives in them'....my advice is to 'lock every door and seal up every window and opening to the temple. Then, if God trully lives inside you, you will have no doubt about it.'
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