sai baba controversy since death

[joe sz]

Ramtha/JZ is small potatoes compared to the immense cult empire left behind by magician/miracle-man/god Satya Sai Baba who would/did not appoint a successor and was found to have 'hoarded' millions in gold, silver and cash.

A guru's legacy: Death threats and scandal
The passing of Sai Baba has left a spiritual hole and an even bigger controversy. Andrew Buncombe reports on the struggle to regulate his earthly affairs

The Independent

Wednesday, 29 June 2011

It has been two months since the controversial Indian holy man Sai Baba passed away, leaving a swirling legacy and a network said to be worth at least £5bn. Since then there have been allegations of financial malpractice, claims of death threats and uncertainty as to who may try and lead the movement he established in the south of India and which has since spread to 126 countries.

Yesterday, members of the trust which currently controls his network sought to draw a line under at least some of the turmoil when they broke their silence and said they had already paid tax on piles of gold, silver and cash found in the holy man's private chambers following his death.

"Even without a demand we paid 97m rupees (£1.3m) as income tax and the balance, if any, will be paid after the valuation of the gold and jewellery," trust member V Srinivasan told a press conference, according to a report by the Agence France-Presse.

"We had no knowledge about the money... it was given to him and Sai Baba kept it for public use. He was an embodiment of simplicity and did not even have a bank account of his own. He never kept anything for himself."

The move by the trust followed weeks of claims and allegations about the handling of the estate of the holy man, which included 98kg of gold, 307kg of silver and 115m rupees (£1.5m) in cash discovered in his chambers. The rooms inside the ashram at Puttaparthi in the state of Andhra Pradesh had been shut when the 86-year-old was hospitalised at the end of March and only reopened two weeks ago, when the currency and treasure was found.

The organisation was also shaken by allegations from a relative of Sai Baba, who claimed someone with the trust had been threatening her. Chetana Raju, a niece, said a trust member had levelled death threats at her. It has also had to try and explain why police stopped a private vehicle carrying more than 3.5m rupees in cash belonging to the trust.

Mr Srinivasan said yesterday the money had been set aside to build a mausoleum for Sai Baba and that the task had been contracted out to a private company. "The [mausoleum] is not being built by the trust as it cannot do religious activity," he said.

When Sai Baba died at the end of April, having suffered multiple organ failure, many predicted his death would trigger a bitter fight. A big

problem was that the man who counted film stars and politicians among his supporters and who had mesmerised audiences with his performances, in which he apparently pulled ash from his hair, had not named a successor to carry on his work.

There have been calls for the authorities to do more to monitor the trust and earlier this week the state government wrote and asked for an account of all its financial transactions and donations since 2009.

Some reports have suggested chief minister, Kiran Kumar Reddy, is considering taking over the running of the organisation. His endowments minister, Ponnala Lakshmaiah, told reporters the trust had already enjoyed several exemptions but he said there was now a need for greater transparency. "But now there are several allegations of financial irregularities," he added. "We have sought a report from the trust and we will decide what to do later."

Mr Srinivasan, an industrialist from the city of Chennai and the man who has emerged as the trust's de facto spokesman, said the organisation would cooperate. "If an enquiry comes from the government then we will promptly attend to it and if the government wants to monitor us, we have no problem," he said.

But some observers suggest the authorities may be disinclined to probe too deeply into the matter. Meera Nanda, a sociologist and author of The God Market, said the Indian government had been generous in affording non-taxable status to many religious organisations without imposing any restrictions or regulations. "There are deep cultural reasons for that," she said. "The political leaders share the faith in the miracles, they treat them like gods. Look how Sai Baba was treated – like he was a demi-god."

When news of Sai Baba's death was announced, thousands of mourners thronged to the ashram he set up decades ago and he was granted a state funeral. Others pointed out that the guru, who never married and had no children, was a controversial figure who had been accused of sexually abusing some of his followers, though he dismissed these claims as propaganda.

Who was Sai Baba?


When Sri Satya Sai Baba died of heart failure in April at the age of around 86 (his official birth date is unknown), India's Prime Minister, Manmohan Singh, described him as a "spiritual leader who inspired millions to lead a moral and meaningful life" and called his death an "irreparable loss".

The guru, who rose to prominence in the 1950s, left behind an empire worth an estimated £5.5bn, a 50 million-strong worldwide following (including celebrities such as Sachin Tendulkar and Goldie Hawn) and the International Sai Organisation, which finances health and education projects across the globe.

But Sai Baba's legacy is far from rosy. It will forever be dogged by allegations that he sexually abused young male devotees (though he was never charged); accusations that he built his following on the myth that he was the reincarnation of Shirdi Sai Baba (a 19th-century Indian holy man) and claims that his miracles were no more than simple magic tricks.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 04038.html

[Sad Grandfather]

Good grief! Just think! If I had forgotten about living an honest life and become a r4eligious con artist, I could now be a trillionaire. This guy was milking millions of suckers from all over the world!

[joe sz]

But back to Sai Baba. If there’s one thing India does well it’s mass hysteria; it’s part of the charm of the place and just check out the deluxe ashram, the flowers, the crowds touching the feet, the colour combinations – who needs rock and roll when you’ve got gurus like Sai?

http://www.roadjunky.com/article/2552/s ... -about-him

the above link also has a great expose video of sai baba's magic tricks:

[Vanilla]

JOE I am interested in your opinion.

I argued with a ramster, he said everything is a cult. Football, Obama, Our country, music we like, groups we attend, everything. He was saying its everyones free speech to join, be and start a cult.

What do you say to that

[ponysong]

JOE I am interested in your opinion.

I argued with a ramster, he said everything is a cult. Football, Obama, Our country, music we like, groups we attend, everything. He was saying its everyones free speech to join, be and start a cult.

What do you say to that

I'm not Joe, but I can tell you that my ex-BF said almost exactly the same thing. It sounds like programmed "RSE-speak" to me. They must practice and memorize these thought-stopping responses.

[joe sz]

I am smiling

I hear this too often from nearly every member of fringe group that outsiders label as weird or cultic.

It is the language of 'non-thought' or an easy psychological maneuver to try to spread the blame.
Common crooks use this same maneuver to justify thievery and deceit: Everyone steals, the government steals, the pope lies, look what the "Americans" did to the Indians.

Those arguments are a Reductive Fallacy: An example is "Taxation is theft" which is a way too simple equivocation.

When a cult member says "everything is a cult", he or she is merely proving that being in na cult has constricted their reasoning ability.

Similar "non-thought" statements are: Well, that is only your opinion! You have your truth and I have mine!

These maneuvers are thought-stopping cliches to try to end argument.

One way to get around it is tell the group member that they are using a lazy thought-stopping cliche, that they are not taking time or effort to look at the evidence.

From R J Lifton:

The language of the totalist environment is characterized by the thought-terminating cliché. The most far-reaching and complex of human problems are compressed into brief, highly reductive, definitive-sounding phrases, easily memorized and easily expressed. These become the start and finish of any ideological analysis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought-te ... lich.C3.A9