There are some similarities between JZ K and Eliz Prophet including how their adult children might view the mother's cult.
I just reread this statement by Sean Prophet, Elizabeth's first child who defected from the cult in 1993 after "totally" growing up in it and being groomed to possiby lead. Take note of how Sean describes his mom's bizarre remorse for the harm she caused as a cult [my word] leader just as Alzheimers was beginning to take over her brain around 1997:
http://www.lifeincut.com/seans_letter_2006.html
This letter is from Sean's website at
http://www.blacksunjournal.com
Prophet's remorse
Thanks Joe
Thanks Joe for the links to Seans ongoing documentation & journey. I wondered what happened to him. I also enjoyed the links you shared and this one:
http://www.blacksunjournal.com/science/ ... _2007.html
from the Blacksunjournal. It sounds as though ECP is still here. Have you ever heard any first or second-hand sharing from what she ever speaks of, shares, remembers, or even mentions the decades of channelling the GWB A.M.'s ?
There are some great points (and logical arguments) presented on the site, and again, just wanted to thank you for that link.
There are indeed, far too many parallels between groups. Perhaps the next generations will be wiser, though history and psychology seem to demonstrate that the human experience needs to believe in, and make (stories)(mystical facts) out of all manner of anomolous experiences.
One wonders what life would have been like without having ever heard of the various groups and spiritual charismatic leaders, boldly proclaiming they were in touch with loving, indeed benevolent ascended masters, saints, christ, who were and are looking out over us, and helping us always, and yet they needed us to be K.O.F. to say our growing number of decrees, fiats and affirmations, and our money, and our preparation for all manner of both commune-ist (lol) and karmic cycle residue of the earth, that alas, the archangels could no longer protect us from.... (cough cough). Only to (predictably) find ones way into other teachings which echoed (in time) similar dire forecasts and need for preparation.
See&E
http://www.blacksunjournal.com/science/ ... _2007.html
from the Blacksunjournal. It sounds as though ECP is still here. Have you ever heard any first or second-hand sharing from what she ever speaks of, shares, remembers, or even mentions the decades of channelling the GWB A.M.'s ?
There are some great points (and logical arguments) presented on the site, and again, just wanted to thank you for that link.
There are indeed, far too many parallels between groups. Perhaps the next generations will be wiser, though history and psychology seem to demonstrate that the human experience needs to believe in, and make (stories)(mystical facts) out of all manner of anomolous experiences.
One wonders what life would have been like without having ever heard of the various groups and spiritual charismatic leaders, boldly proclaiming they were in touch with loving, indeed benevolent ascended masters, saints, christ, who were and are looking out over us, and helping us always, and yet they needed us to be K.O.F. to say our growing number of decrees, fiats and affirmations, and our money, and our preparation for all manner of both commune-ist (lol) and karmic cycle residue of the earth, that alas, the archangels could no longer protect us from.... (cough cough). Only to (predictably) find ones way into other teachings which echoed (in time) similar dire forecasts and need for preparation.
See&E
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Ramtha promoted creation
I'm going to go slightly off topic here (well, THEY can always move my post), but here goes. After reading through the lengthy information posted above, I kept digging deeper and came up with the following information which I thought was worth reading - and sharing. Ramtha promoted "his" version of creation, so maybe the old goat is less pagan than "he" thinks ! LOL
From two camps...
**EXPLORING THE CREATION/EVOLUTION CONTROVERSY**
http://www.talkorigins.org/
THE EVOLUTION FACT & THEORY FAQ LIST
http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/faqs-qa.html
TOP EVIDENCES AGAINST THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION
http://emporium.turnpike.net/C/cs/top.htm
http://www.allaboutcreation.org/evidenc ... on-faq.htm
WHERE IS THE SCIENTIFIC THEORY OF CREATION ?
http://www.holysmoke.org/cretins/apple04.htm
WHAT SCIENCE DID TO CREATIONISM
http://www.holysmoke.org/cretins/abomb.htm
?Alas, Creationism was nuked by science over 138 years ago. There are a few ignorant savages who haven't received the death notice, but they are dying off themselves. Creationism could not survive the light of scientific inquiry, and died a pathetic death.
All that is left of Creationism are church-based commercial businesses which have a political agenda, such as the "Institude for Creation Research" (a church which does no research), the "Creation Research Society" (another church which doesn't do research), and a few smaller cults. These businesses produce bright, shiny books, audio tapes, and video tapes for their victims to buy. They sell their time to churches for lecturers. Creationism these days is BIG BUSINESS. These cults strive mightily to inflict their occultism onto government by subverting public school's elected School Boards and producing Creationism "text books" that teach their religion as "science."
Creationism is a POLITICAL movement.
Creationism is not science.
Creationism is not about truth.
Creationism is about overtly and covertly inflicting religion upon government.
There are many thousands of Creationists out there on the Internet, with their WWW pages repeating lies that have been debunked for decades. These Creationists will always exist, since ignorance will always exist. They believe in Creationism because their masters have told them to believe in Creationism as a tool to their "salvation" in their cult. They do not care that evolution is an observed fact: they have "faith" that Creationism is true, and that's all they need. They consider facts and truth to be a hinderence to their ticket to Heaven. Nothing could be more pathetic.?
CREATION RESEARCH SOCIETY?S OATH
All members of the Creation Research Society must sign a statement of faith. This statement does not restrict itself to religious issues, but covers scientific ones as well.
http://www.holysmoke.org/cretins/crs_oath.htm
From two camps...
**EXPLORING THE CREATION/EVOLUTION CONTROVERSY**
http://www.talkorigins.org/
THE EVOLUTION FACT & THEORY FAQ LIST
http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/faqs-qa.html
TOP EVIDENCES AGAINST THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION
http://emporium.turnpike.net/C/cs/top.htm
http://www.allaboutcreation.org/evidenc ... on-faq.htm
WHERE IS THE SCIENTIFIC THEORY OF CREATION ?
http://www.holysmoke.org/cretins/apple04.htm
WHAT SCIENCE DID TO CREATIONISM
http://www.holysmoke.org/cretins/abomb.htm
?Alas, Creationism was nuked by science over 138 years ago. There are a few ignorant savages who haven't received the death notice, but they are dying off themselves. Creationism could not survive the light of scientific inquiry, and died a pathetic death.
All that is left of Creationism are church-based commercial businesses which have a political agenda, such as the "Institude for Creation Research" (a church which does no research), the "Creation Research Society" (another church which doesn't do research), and a few smaller cults. These businesses produce bright, shiny books, audio tapes, and video tapes for their victims to buy. They sell their time to churches for lecturers. Creationism these days is BIG BUSINESS. These cults strive mightily to inflict their occultism onto government by subverting public school's elected School Boards and producing Creationism "text books" that teach their religion as "science."
Creationism is a POLITICAL movement.
Creationism is not science.
Creationism is not about truth.
Creationism is about overtly and covertly inflicting religion upon government.
There are many thousands of Creationists out there on the Internet, with their WWW pages repeating lies that have been debunked for decades. These Creationists will always exist, since ignorance will always exist. They believe in Creationism because their masters have told them to believe in Creationism as a tool to their "salvation" in their cult. They do not care that evolution is an observed fact: they have "faith" that Creationism is true, and that's all they need. They consider facts and truth to be a hinderence to their ticket to Heaven. Nothing could be more pathetic.?
CREATION RESEARCH SOCIETY?S OATH
All members of the Creation Research Society must sign a statement of faith. This statement does not restrict itself to religious issues, but covers scientific ones as well.
http://www.holysmoke.org/cretins/crs_oath.htm