Roses celebrating your longevity at RSE

The 180 degree change in the teachings from the start of RSE until current times; in the corporation, the teachings and the teacher. Share your experiences.


Walk in the Park
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Roses celebrating your longevity at RSE

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Remember when right prior to the Christmas evening event at the Ranch that JZ presented the people who had been in RSE ten years a dozen roses for their loyalty and dedication? How sweet. Maybe the marketing department ought to try that little tactic again. Maybe even offer "Old timers" a discount to come back and get current. And NOT from the same vein as the "catch-up" events. :wink:
Yeah, right. Old timers are catching on.......
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Offer them a discount ?

I remember for years and years, Ramtha telling students that "The day will come when you won't have to pay for your events anymore."


I know, I know. The timeline was changed ? Now who d'ya supposed changed it ? The students who are, by and large, living on a shoestring ? Or someone who would have a vested interest in lining her pockets ? You decide :wink:
Kristin
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Group 12 and 13

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I attended the school and was current from 1988 to 2001. I was in "Group 12 & 13". In about 1992, we earned the gift of attending our required events FOR FREE for as long as we stayed current. It was a secret. If we told anyone, we would lose our gift. Ramtha told us that JZ and the guards did not like that he had given us this gift. We earned the gift by volunteering to continue meditating in "focus beach" outside for 3 days and nights. He told us we were the "sincere of the school" and often not the "stars" who everyone noticed.

By the way, I found my card in blindfolded "fieldwork" for the first time after that first focus beach. During the next week, I also found two cards in a row, one right after the other. The point of the focus was to go to a deeper state of consciousness of GOD, which I definitely felt I achieved.

I loved the teachings, consciousness and energy, blindfolded archery, remote view, etc. I found my card about 28 times. I hit my target twice during a blindfolded archery/wine ceremony weekend. It was the first time I had ever been drunk and I was 31 years old. During that weekend, we did archery by day and had a wine ceremony by night. It was a blast. I LOVE RAMTHA. I am so grateful to have attended this school. I left when some of the students became "teachers". They just did not have the magic nor TRUTH for me that RAMTHA did. Something just wasn't the same for me, anymore.

A side note, for those of you who focus so much on Ramtha insisting our partner make sure we fill up our wine cup and that we were coerced, that is just silly to me. I just laughed with my partner and we drank the amount we wanted to.

That said, I was very confused to meet JZ Knight at her JZ ROSE store in Bellevue Square last year ? April 2007. I was so happy to see her and I rushed to thank her and give her a hug and she just seemed very strange. She kind of pushed my arms away. She does not really know who I am, however, I told her I used to be a student. She just did not seem to care. I was so disappointed by her response. Her appearance was very strange to me. She had little holes in her skin on her face. She also seemed extremely masculine in a physical strength sense. Mostly, this was a stranger to me and nothing like my experience of RAMTHA or my prior experience of her at the school.
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Kristin-
why did you leave the school?

I too, was in group 12. It was one of THEE most memorable of my experiences at the ranch. Focus Beach.
That, and the Tahumo group that I was in (the first 12 who made it to the void 3 times in a row when the tank was new).

I find your insertion about the wine ceremonies...well...interesting......maybe you were sitting at the back of the room and saw no need for the pressure.
Me, on the other hand, truly BELIEVED we did what we were told. It never occurred to me to do anything other than what "Ramtha" said.
That is just where my head was at.

coooeee-thank you for your commentary as I think many people feel more free to post.
this post from Kristin is a perfect example.
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Some thoughts

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Hi Kristin,

I can understand that Ramtha would tell a group of students that they were "the sincere of the school", though we might differ as to why "he" would say such a thing. I also recall numerous times when Ramtha would talk about "his" Primary Group, Secondary Group, Blue College Group, Elohim, Ahk Men Ra, Om Akad, etc. At any given event, he would stroke one of the groups, telling them they were The Best because of such and such. He would tell another group that the SAME group that he had stroked, were slackers and lacking because of such and such. It fueled competitiveness and the desire to work harder, in some students. Others had different reactions. I never took any of it seriously because I always believed (and still do), that "he" was playing mind games with people's egos; nothing more. There was always a token group that was used as a carrot. At the time of the comrades, they were put upon a pedestal. Then, around 2003/4, they came crashing down when Ramtha disbanded them, ridiculing them in front of everyone.

If you don't mind responding, I'm curious as to why you left the school because there were designated teachers in addition to Ramtha. Why didn't you just set aside what they had to say, and remain focused on only what Ramtha taught? Just for clarity, I am not being anything but sincere and curious in asking.

I have stated before that I had some great times there; fun times, productive times. However, as for my "evolution", I could have evolved just as well having not gone. Perhaps even better. I am real sure of that now, because I see where I am in my life, which I do not credit RSE for. The "love" that I felt for my teacher, was rooted in what I believed was true about who he was and why he was here teaching. As the teachings became more and more debased and abusive, I knew that what I held in my MIND about what/who Ramtha is/was or isn't/wasn't, was a phantom in the sense of "his" evolution. What I'm saying in a round about way, is that the end didn't justify the means, for me. Reaching enlightenment, with a hierophant that said one thing while doing another, wasn't something I was going to support.

Even after I left the school, I didn't deny that I thought he could very well be "real". I was critically ridiculed and backstabbed for having the courage and honesty to admit that. Whatever. I have a RIGHT to my viewpoint. However, for myself, I came to the place in my mind where I decided that it didn't matter whether or not he was real, because whatever went on at RSE, or goes on now, is ultimately "his" responsibility. If he is the God he claims to be, and since the school is in his NAME, he has responsibility and accountability to uphold AT LEAST the "virtues" and Godliness that students were told they should LIVE. Noble virtue. Integrity that is honest, compassionate, fourth seal and higher, etc. Yet, these things "he" did not exemplify. The early teachings (I was introduced in 1986) and the latter teachings (2006 when I left), were not at all similar.

As for the wine ceremonies, I must say that I, too, find your comment most interesting. Why would you call it silly ? Ramtha COMMONLY told students to check their partner's wine cup to be sure it was full to the brim, regardless of the size of the cup. If someone saw a student who did not have a full cup, they were told to raise their hands so that the noncompliant student would be told to leave the teaching. If that is not called coercion, how would you explain that ? Did you think that the group you were in, was exempt from the teacher's words ? Again, just curious.

Now that you've been out of the school for 7 years, how do you feel about that ? Do you plan to go back ? Do you believe you will evolve just fine being out of the school ?
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My reasons for leaving the school

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Hi Tree, this is my reply to you: First, I think I know who you are. You were in a relationship with the first woman Red Guard and you both have red hair? Is that right? I always admired both of you from a far.

I left the school because I was stagnating and I felt a stagnation in the RSE school community, as well. Ramtha called it "backwash". I was fed up scratching to make a living and I did not respect that part of myself. I needed to leave to address those things in myself. I was also fed up feeling like an outsider with the "comrades". Take Mihael for example. I was invited to Mihael's house as a friend, once. I learned later how badly he treated an Australian girlfriend and Ramtha inferred how he sexually molested boys when he was the President of St. Patrick's College in Ireland. Fine, I know I have had issues and made some mistakes, too. But later, at a wine ceremony, I wanted to dance with Mihael, innocently, for the joy of it, no hanky-panky, and he rebuffed me. I hate that! I am not inspired at all to have that kind of person guide or teach me when we are all really equals in the human condition.

In writing this, maybe I was guilty of rebuffing people, too. I apologize to anyone if they feel I did.
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Kristin, I enjoy your posts, they seem very heartfelt and honest.

I'm curious about the group 12 thing... did you really attend all your events from 1992-2001 for free? Was it only the 'non-mandatory' events? How many people approximately were part of this group...? Just curious...
...and in the end, the love you take is equal to the love you make...

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Groups 12 and 13

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Hi Krisitn-
yes, that is me.
and thank you for posting your heartfelt posts.

Groups 12 and 13 were formed as a result of enduring the first "Focus Beach" aka Paradise Beach for 3 days and 3 nights.
You had to have remained on Paradise Beach for the entire 3 days and 3 nights.
We were given our manadatory events for the rest of our tenure at RSE if we remained current.

Then came along "Blue College", where EVERYONE had to pay.
The thing is, I remained current, never missing a required event for over 17 years, and then when I did not have the money for my Blue college event, I went to register under the Group 12 title. I was refused entry, even though I had remained current the entire time.
I found out, in hingsight, I would have had to attend BOTH the BLue College events AND the Primary events to remain in Group 12.
I thought that was total cheese.
Everytime I e-mailed or called about this issue, not one staff person ever replied.
It was just swept under the rug.
I also found at later that many staff resented the fact that there was even a Group 12 or 13.
I found that odd as staff gets their events for "free" (they usually have to work the event in their capacity), except Blue College events
and they get their assay for usually half price.
Imagine, JZ needing so much more money and requiring all Blue College students to pay for events in order to remain in the elite and most forward growing group. true enlightenment= giving more $. bah.
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Group 12 and 13

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LWO-
I would say there were maybe 30 in each group from what I recall being on the field that day.
You have to keep in mind though, we were deprived of much sleep and food during those 3 days and nights.
We were told to bring only a bottle of water and only a handful of food (nuts or something).
We were told to focus throughtout the entire duration of the excercise.

Group 12 were people who stayed the entire 3 days and 3 nights.
Group 13 missed the first day or night.

Group 12 receieved their required events from then on out and also got "gifted" the next assay.
Group 13 receieve their required events from then on out.

oh! and we had to sign a document that we would not mention anything about Group 12 or 13 to anyone or we would be kicked out of RSE.

I might want to add.
On day two, when I "came to" and had to use the restroom,
One of Sir Robert's children was about 6 feet in front of me with a cooler, a beach chair, reading a book and listening to a walkman.
Preferential treatment gets you into any group, apparently.
I was utterly shocked at the sight of the cooler and walkman.
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I am not inspired at all to have that kind of person guide or teach me when we are all really equals in the human condition.
Kristin-
I would have to say I am with you here on this one.
Here were equal humans, with equal if not "worse" human situations (like pedophelia, adultery, alcoholism, drug usery) "teaching" the rest of us. pfft. And to think at one time, no one was to teach or disseminate information because "it was just washed through our own dirty rag of a brain." Well, how on earth can a mere human teach what we had once been taught was "sacred" knowledge? Didn't make sense to me.
And now we have the "expert" "Dr." Greg. hahahah! King of rhetoric.
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Part of my ?awakening? out of JZ?s world was a moment of ?So WHAT!!? ? so I found my card(s), so I made it to the ?void? in the tank, so I can remote view ? and so can many others, many of whom were far more skilled than I (or favored). So what? The behavior of the Ramsters, particularly those in ?Group 10?, was not commendable by any standards ? unless ?good?/appropriate/Christlike is rudeness, abusiveness, coldness, ego tripping, manipulative?. Psychic abilities are psychic abilities. Every major true Sacred Tradition warns about being caught up in the grandeur and glamour of ?abilities?, visions, powers, etc. If that?s your/someone?s goal ? far out. I wanted more, or different.
Not everything taught at the Ranch is incorrect ? some of it is taken from reliable sources. There are easier ways to achieve ?powers?; there are easier ways to become a more loving kind peaceful person. Physical mental spiritual manipulation, deprivation, and deception are not necessary.
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A.D.60......... extremely well stated.

That's part of the trance.......and I was guilty so I can say that loving JZR, the teachings, etc., is not enough, when the wrongdoing that goes on there, is as real as it is. RSE is, in my opinion a negative path. Yes, it does contain some truth, but it's riddled with enormous amounts of FEAR, and is highly narcissitic; as it it's all about me, me, me and how good I feel, and screw the other guy/gal because their failings are deserved. That is not a path of love, no matter what excuse JZR gives. If it's true that the universe is infinite, then growing with LOVE, not FEAR, is a choice that is attainable and valid. That doesn't support building underground houses or overlooking child abuse in RSE, etc., etc.
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seeing through cards ala Henry Sugar

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From a former students' viewpoint, "seeing through cards" seems to be the only "discipline" that has emerged as being valid.
I still see no magical byproducts of being able to see through the cards though.

Kenny and Debbie seem to think seeing future numbers can make for some good horse racing and roullette +EV gamblings.
(as a direct result, in their eyes, from being able to see through the cards).

I know over 30 people can now do this.

Anyone have a scientific explanation for this?

The other "discpilines" are just plain stupid and render nothing enlightening, much less Fabulous Wealth (copyrighted :shock: )

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If you let me use my cards, I can get 52 out of 52, 100% of the time. Using an unmarked deck, getting 8 or 10 right occasionally, is within the relm of probability. If you can see through somebody else's cards, fabulous wealth is as near as your friendly casino at the blackjack or poker tables. Do you know anyone who has made their fortune that way?
Down with Judith Hampton Knight!
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