RSE Student Deaths Threads 1 of 2

[Tyger]

I arrived in Yelm the first time in 1997-8. I moved to California in 2000, and my wife and I returned to Yelm (we LOVE Washington State) last summer.

A ton of the old Ramsters that I'd met then are all dead now.

Jeff Knight died of AIDS shortly before I arrived (I'd met him in 1988).

Vicki....the mad fake heirophant with the manners of a rabid wharf rat......dead.

Boganandu (...or whatever his fake name was) who liked to play stupid and amatuerish control games.......dead.

John, the guy who owned the Master Center and was a major money funnel for JZ, ....he just died a few months ago in Maui.

There's a lot more, but being the newbie up here at the time, I don't recall a lot of their names.

So much for all that blue body ascension crap, eh??? LOL!!!



"Everything dies...even stars...it's part of Life and the way God designed it. You just have the opportunity to determine (pretty much) HOW you want to die. In glory....obscurity....frustration....peace...or flat-out ignorance." Tyger, 1990

(For the record, ignorance kills about 90%+)

[Lost in Space]

To what extent do you believe those deaths were directly linked to participation in RSE?

Or is it just that they did not seek medical attention, because they were taught there that they could heal themselves or be healed without medical assistance?

[whatthebleep]

Hi Guys, Great little resource you have here. A friend sent me this and it really made me think. It's just a start; I know it's incomplete.

To add to the list:


ALCOHOL-RELATED DEATHS

1) Native American guy- (name?) father of Ginger who works at Outback and the other little girl (?) who crashed his car on Bald Hill Road after a party (1999?)

2) Alaskan Native-(name?) who crashed his car after a high-speed chase with cops was dating [edit] (phone number?) (1998?)

3) Billy (last name?) boyfriend of flight attendant Janie Kauffman (sp?) (Phone number?) who died of a heart attack as he was trying to ?cold turkey? detox from a drinking bender

4) Greg?s mom

DEATHS (QUESTIONABLE WHETHER OR NOT THEY WERE ALCOHOL-RELATED, BUT RANCH, OR ?SELF-HEALING? RELATED)

1) Brian McGoldrick

2) Mimi- from New York age 40(?) (partner of Windsor) who tried to heal a blood clot in her leg which traveled to her heart

3) Yugi- Japanese guy who had a heart attack at ranch. Medics were not called for 2 hours as people tried to ?heal? him.

4) Clint Eastwood look-alike guy (details?)

5) Vickie Cady- declined medical treatment (for breast cancer?) until too late

6) John (boyfriend of Isis) declined treatment for his testicular cancer until too late


SUICIDES

1) Glenn- Aussie guy, Tabisha?s (phone?) boyfriend

2) [Edit], son of Paris (phone number?) Nephew of Sage and Destiny (phones?) who went to a mountaintop and did acid and shot himself (details?)

3) Valerie (name?) wife of lawyer Steve (number?) and mother of 3 boys who jumped off a bridge on Mount Rainier, after drinking red wine

4) The guy who shot himself at [Edit] house

5) Girl who hung herself out near Cate and Fiona?s

6) Marcus, [Edit] boyfriend, who got drunk and overdosed on a mixture of drugs

[FreeNow]

How many students live in the area and what is the percent of these deaths? Is this higher than normal?

The reason I ask is that I was raised in the Mormon church and the suicide rate among Mormon women is very much higher than the general population. So I am curious.

[whatthebleep]

Tyger, You've got to ask old students who've been around for a while, especially in 96(?) when the bacchanalia began, I guess. I don't know any more than I reported. I thought it was a pretty stunning death-count as well. Not sure if it's per capita more than other communities.

Don't know about the Mormons.

I do know a girl who tried to get an AA meeting together for Ramtha students suffering from alcoholism, and it lasted over a year and at one time she had 17 people from school there.

These stats don't include jail, detox, injuries and bankruptcies. That would be interesting.

[Whatchamacallit]

Tygerish,

Here is an "old" post from the original EMF Board. I did not author the first post, Christel did...

"I personally have known 5 students that have died. 4 of them Australians. Two of them lived in Australia.

Some students depart the USA and return to their own countries and cannot return to "school" for a variety of reasons.....illness, disability, deportation, an inability to financially able to sustain themselves in the USA.

I wonder just how many die in other countries never to be heard from ever again. Wouldn't look really good in the RSE statistics for proving just how marvellous enlightenment is.

Lets have a toast to 200 years of life without death. "

Whatchamacallit's response to her, and to Grace, was:


"Mar 16th, 2007 - 9:06 PM Re: How many dead

Graced wrote: "It?s time to open our hearts to ourselves and each other, and confess/recognize/acknowledge the pain and reach out in acknowledgment to each other ? Judy?s reality is a reality of abuse ? and there is another reality that is loving and healing without abuse. "

I totally agree. Despite personality differences, and similar human issues, the bottom line is that the people who are involved with this Msg Board, sincerely are concerned and care about the people who are in RSE, being duped.

The glossy marketing campaign doesn't give people the information to make a fully informed choice about what they are getting into, when signing up for the school. There is a spectrum of attitudes for the majority of people, who are the ones who have not remained in the school; anywhere from shrugging it all off as not worth pursuing, to being scarred on some level, for life. Some people are current and content, (we were once in that mindset, too, until digging deeper), and some are still current and doubting - with nowhere to turn unless they find EMF or some other support system.

Yeah, how many times did Ramtha lead a toast, to 200 years of life without death ? Many times. How many students have achieved that ? Nobody I'm aware of. How many have died of old age and/or disease ? Many.

WHY? "

Tyger,

I think I have a list of deaths, in addition to what was previously posted on this thread. I'll look into that. I know several people with a copy of that list. Some of the list needs blank spaces filled in, as I recall.

In addition, I know a number of people, and I'm not alone with this comment, that developed mental illness and/or had nervous breakdowns as a result of the stress from being in RSE.

[ex]

clint easywood like....is actually clint eastwoods son.took medication which dident combine with alcohol.he also had a drinkingproblem and fell off the wagon due to wineceremonies.then there was a guy he worked for omar the tent man.he showed up with menengities on a event.got brought to a hospital and died there from livercirosies.well what kills a heroinjunkie?the drug or his livestile?read about the seewater thread on the old bord this stuff was realy bad too.hope you do what you say tyger.who knows what happened to the chinese guy who died on a hartattack?

[Whatchamacallit]

The asian man (I didn't know him personally, but only by face), who died IN THE AUDIENCE DURING AN EVENT, WITH RAMTHA IN THE ROOM, died of a heart attack. This happened, despite the God-man-Ramtha telling students that nobody will ever die during his audience.

Ooops.

I found the private email that lists all sorts of information about deaths and related tragedies, in the lives of RSE students. I'm going to see if I can have permission to post it, since it's not my information.

[ex]

watcha i know so much.but is there neglet involved .does a meeting of several hundred drincing not requires medical staff?did he lay in the corner looking pasedout and was already death?did he get imidiate help?i know that the party continued.

[Tyger]

Thanks guys and gals and keep this information flowing. PLEASE!!!!

Some of the stories you are posting are personally known to me. I talked to Clint Eastwood's son a few days (by phone) before he died. He was bipolar and according to an eyewitness who was hanging around him at the time, overdosed on his medication.

Names (even first names) and some sort of idea about ID (age, nationality, all that stuff) is very helpful. A database is in the works.

Also, in response to the Scamster's criminal activity here in Yelm....it is substantial. Nothing "mob-like".....yet. But the petty thefts, assaults, DUI's, and general mayhem is a wonder to behold and more akin to a downtown area urban area's petty crime rate than a small rural town.

How do I know this? Well, I've talked and interviewed quite a number of police officers here in S. Thurston County and they all say something along these lines.

"When I got here I thought, wow....no more big city crime. Nice and quiet and just handing out speeding tickets to old ladies and farmers. How wrong could I be. It's a zoo."
(paraphrased and to effect)

Again, thanks....hard facts are what will "bring her low".

[Whatchamacallit]

Ex and Tyger,

I know on the "old" forum, there were references to Yugi's death. Not sure how he spelled his name. But, I do know he was at a required Blue College event, he was a "comrade", and he died right in the audience. I'll see if I can pull up the old forum info.

Tyger, are you insinuating that RSE badmouths EMF and/or LARSE ? I can't believe that. LOL

[Whatchamacallit]

Hi G2G,

Yeah, they have EMF in their timeline because they're only Gods-in-training, not the real deal. More fieldwork !!!

Also, they have created a school that has students who kill themselves. Why ? How evolved is that ?

I remember sitting in an audience when we had to go through a discipline that "Ramtha" took us through. We were being instructed to see ourselves into the future, and protect ourselves from bridges. This was due to a female student who had, I believe the day before, gone home that evening from the event, and drove her car into the concrete of a small underpass. We were told it was intentional that she cut her life short, because she was in a hurry to be with The Ram.

There was another woman that was escorted out, for stripping down during audience and running around nekky, cuz she was "free". It takes all kinds. This is one reason I wasn't very much of a social butterfly when I was there. I wanted the info/teachings, period.

How sad that those lives were cut short.

How sad that children miss their childhoods being raised in that cult.

[Tyger]

Found this today on the 'Masters Connection' bulletin board:

"Mary and Richard Banach early this morning asking for a physical address to which I could send a card. Chris; Richard and Mary Banach's grandson, who was a student at RSE when he was a child, died on Jan. 5th.

Richard told me that Chris had been drinking and made a fatal blunder that caused his death. I did not ask about details."

Another wine related death. Apparently this guy died on January 5th. They're dropping like flies up there at the Funny Farm.....and oh so young too. The guy had living grandparents.

[Tyger]

Another one from the Master's Connection bulletin board:

"Longtime student, Schuyler Savage (mother to Marcus and Chase, wife to John) passed this plane on the first day of Blue College, Friday, 02/16/07.

The family is burying her body out-of-state, and at this point, I have not been advised of any local commemorative ceremonies.

We know she was met by our Teacher.
One potential exists that she attended her Blue College Retreat as one of the fabulous orbs photographed during that time."



If anyone dares write a eulogy about me like this after I die....I'm coming back to haunt them forever.

[Marie]

Hi all -- Hopefully this post will not fall into the "student death" category yet, but reading this thread made me want to post an update on my sister who has been attending events for the past 8 or so years but who I believe has been studying RSE for much longer than that, maybe around the past 16 years.....

She is having severe complications from a tooth implant she had done in early Dec.... Became infected from the start, never responded to medications, had to have the implant and the tooth next to it removed, still did not heal, ended up having emergency surgery on her jaw done about 10 days ago... they removed a piece of her jaw bone they said had "died"... inserted drains on both inside and outside of her gum and cheek to drain the infection.... has had to have twice daily IV antibiotics since she was released from the hospital a week ago... She has now been diagnosed with osteomyelitis -- which is essentially a bone infection -- and if the infection is not gone in five days they will do a second surgery.... I did some brief online research on osteomyelitis and found that it is very difficult to get rid of, but does usually respond to long treatments of IV antibiotics, but can be fatal if it gets into your blood stream.

I do not know to what extent my sister waited, if at all, trying to heal herself, before she went back to the dentist when she knew something wasn't right.... I cannot talk to her about RSE or else she just ends the conversation....I do know, that she had been doing some self healing as I heard my mother talking to her about "keep on focusing" and "it was good that you saw the glitter".... This was right before she went into the hospital for the emergency surgery....

My hope is that both she and my mother will see this episode as more egg on the face of Judy Knight and that it will put some cracks in the theory that we all "create our own reality"..... Surely my sister did not want, create or deserve the current pain and trauma she is going through, and hopefully, will survive....

The positive of all of this is that there is talk now of her not being able to attend blue college next month, and my mother not going either if she has the second operation, so that's a good thing.

[Lost in Space]

Dear Marie:

That's terrible, about your sister, but sounds llike she is relatively young and stands a pretty good chance of making it.
Will light a candle and focus, yes, really, focus on her greatest good (have not trained at the ranch, have my own means of focusing - call it prayer). Up to a point, faith really can heal, but when the situation goes beyond that point, medical intervention can save lives...just glad to hear she did finally get help.
Judging by how distressing it was to see my Dad suffer, I send you much sympathy, and really really hope everything goes well.

[Whatchamacallit]

Marie,

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I took a wonderful vacation to Turkey and Greece in July 2000. Two days after returning from my trip, a multitude of symptoms hit me and I was very ill until November 2001. Hepatitis C. was diagnosed; however none of the symptoms were related to the hepatitis. Symptoms included agonizing stomach pains, nose bleeds, internal bleeding, rashes, vomiting, etc., etc, Every doctor I saw after not finding a problem suggested that I see a psychiatrist, as it was merely a stress issue. I had also lost 60 lbs. and am now 40 lbs. underweight.

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Sharon H. ? WA

Testimonial #10

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Testimonial #11

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Testimonial #12

I have suffered severe postnasal drip for approximately 8 years due to sinus drainage. Traditional MDs could not find the root of the problem, leading them to prescribe me Claritin, Alegra and several other medications. No positive results came from these prescriptions, but yet I received all possible side effects. This condition became part of my daily life and I came to accept it.

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God bless! Mr. P ? Seattle

Testimonial #13

Gentlemen: After hearing Dr. Ingram on a local radio broadcast, I decided to try some oregano. I purchased the Juice of Oregano. We live in the southern Ohio "sinus belt" and my wife and I were both bothered with allergies, sinus and related problems. When I began taking it, my wife was an absolute non-believer. She said she would never take that stuff!!! After taking the first dose, my head cleared in 10 minutes or less. I sleep better at night although my wife still didn't and hacked and coughed as usual.

After noticing my success, in desperation, she tried the product. Guess what, she is now a confirmed oregano user. The Juice of Oregano cleared up her sinus problems. She no longer coughed all the time. She began noticing other improvements. She no longer took the allergy pills she took every day. Her headaches went away. She mentioned one day that she had not needed indigestion pills since she began taking Juice of Oregano. One day I was putting on my shoes and I called to my wife, ?come look at my feet!? All the ugly calluses and dry ugly skin were gone. My feet were pink and smooth. My nails, which were thick and brown, were lightened up and returning to normal ? hadn't looked that good for 30 years.

I told my friends about it and they are confirmed Juice of Oregano users. My wife?s best friend tried it and she said it was the first time in 6 years she was able to sleep all night. Also, she had some minor bladder or urinary tract problems, which caused her difficulty, and she had to get up several times each night. After a few days of the ?Juice? all this returned to normal. She swears by it now. My wife had cracks and thick skin around her fingernails that wouldn't heal and caused discomfort. These healed up and didn't come back.

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We ordered some more this morning!!! Thanks a million for this great product. Ron T., OH

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Testimonial #14 (Note: Testimony #14 is Sheila?s testimony, which begins on page one.)

Update on Sandy Petry, Bonnie?s Daughter:

March 6, 2004: Sandy (who is being treated for osteomyelitis of the jawbone) began taking Serrapeptase tablets and she noticed a reduction in her whole-body-pain soon after taking her first tablet! By the next day (after only 3 tablets) Sandy?s deep chest cough was much better and her whole outlook on life had improved. (Serrapeptase tablets have noticeably reduced Sandy?s whole-body inflammation and swelling. See issue #55 for more Serrapeptase info.)

March 17, 2004: Sandy began a course of Clindamycin, 300 mg, 3 times per day.

March 18, 2004: Sandy began 40 consecutive days of hyperbaric treatments at John Muir Hospital in Walnut Creek, CA. At her initial hyperbaric appointment, when the doctor examined her, he saw cysts on her eardrums that were weeping pus. While she was in the hyperbaric chamber she developed blisters on her arms and fingers ? while she watched ? that burned and itched and in the center of the blister was a hard piece of something that she squeezed out and then pus weeped out. She has had these blisters come and go before, but since beginning the hyperbaric treatments they are much more numerous and are surrounded with bruises. To control the weeping, she uses bentonite powder made into a paste to keep her skin dry for an hour or so. She has missed several hyperbaric treatments due to this reaction and an obviously developing Clostridium Difficile infection (a side effect of Clindamycin). [Clostridium Difficile causes burning indigestion, vomiting, diarrhea, no appetite, exhaustion and extreme irritability (due to the other symptoms).]

March 25, 2004: Sandy stopped taking antibiotics (Clindamycin). She knew she had Clostridium Difficile as her intestinal upset became progressively worse over the past three days. (She also had to cancel the CT scan of her sinuses that was scheduled for today.)

March 26, 2004: AW sent Sheila?s testimonial by email and as soon as I read it I bought Oregamax capsules and 140 mg Oregacyn gel caps and Sandy began taking 2 of each 3 times a day. Her digestion problems stopped after she took her first dose, which helped her to feel better both physically and emotionally. Oregamax capsules and Oregcyn 149 mg gel caps immediately cleared up Sandy?s Clostridium Difficile infection. However, after a week of taking them faithfully they were not slowing down the pus weeping from her ears or keeping the pus from burning her skin (Coagulase-negative Staphylococcus was cultured from the pus from her ears in October 2003).

April 2, 2004: An hour after her sixth hyperbaric treatment (this was the 2nd hyperbaric treatment after recovering from her Clostridium Difficile infection) Sandy had a horrendous nose bleed from her left nostril that lasted 30 minutes ? at first she had 15 minutes of ropey mucus mixed with blood pour out, then 15 minutes of watery blood gush out, then it all stopped completely with no evidence of a nosebleed.

April 3, 2004: Sandy felt a sharp piece of loose bone under the surface of her upper left front gum (since March 26th she has been brushing her gums with Dr. Clark?s oil of oregano).

April 4, 2004: Sandy saw the tip of the piece of bone, used sterile tweezers and pulled it out.

April 6, 2004: Sandy switched from taking two Oregamax capsules 3 times per day to taking two 450 mg Oregacyn capsules 3 times per day (and is still taking two 140 mg Oregacyn gel caps 3 times per day). After one day on the 450 mg Oregacyn capsules the weeping blisters on her arms and hands began to heal and her ears wept less profusely. Her energy is excellent now and she is creating beautiful homemade items with her sewing machine. Also, she is planning a trip to Washington to attend her son, Benjamin?s, wedding on August 14, 2004. Until she began taking the 450 mg Oregacyn capsules she thought she might not make the wedding. With this evidence right before my eyes it?s easy to believe her Staph infection will soon be completely gone. Another reason I can believe it is that she loves the taste of the 450 mg Oregacyn capsules and says she is looking forward to taking them for the rest of her life.

More from Bonnie:

When I first read Sheila?s testimony I called my closest health food store and asked for Oregacyn. They only had Oregamax. I called several other health food stores and one had Oregacyn (oil) gel caps and Oregamax (powder) capsules, so I bought a bottle of each.

A few days later I sent an email to AW thanking her for her kindness in sending me Sheila?s testimony. I also wanted to ask permission to reprint it so I asked where she had read it. She emailed back saying that Sheila?s testimony was the last one on the testimonial page of www.oreganol.com ? which is the website of North American Herb & Spice (NAH&S).

When I read the information on NAH&S?s website I realized I had not understood exactly what Sheila was taking when she wrote, ?I used Oregacyn in conjunction with Oreganol, which is the oil of oregano.? On the website it says, ?Oregacyn P73 comes in both powdered capsule and oil forms and the oil mixture appears to contain properties all its own. At North American Herb & Spice, we have seen maximum results when Oregacyn P73 is taken in both capsule and oil form simultaneously.? Then I read that Oregacyn comes in 450 mg capsules as well as 140 mg gel caps. (On the Oregamax bottle and under ?Oregamax? on NAH&S?s website there was no mention of Oregacyn P73.) I began to suspect I hadn?t bought the right combination. I finally decided that to kill the mutated bacteria Sandy was fighting she needed Oregacyn 450 mg capsules, not Oregamax capsules.

To find out if this was correct I called NAH&S (their 800 number is on their bottles). The man I spoke with said I was correct; the active ingredient, Oregacyn P73, is in the Oregacyn 450 mg capsules as powder and in the Oregacyn gel caps as oil. For anyone who is having trouble getting rid of a bacterial infection NAH&S recommends Oregacyn 450 mg capsules and Oregacyn oil (Oil of Oregano Oreganol P73 or 140 mg Oregacyn gel caps).

He then offered to call Sheila, give her my number and ask her to call me! He said he had met her when she visited the office to thank them personally for their lifesaving products.

I was very happy when Sheila called. She answered several of my questions: To get rid of her bacterial infection she drank 2 drops Oreganol in juice and took Oregacyn, 450 mg, 2 capsules 3 times a day for 3 months. She believes one of the reasons Oregacyn works so well is because it has not been irradiated. She believes staying free of bacterial infections, in her case for over one year, is due to her daily intake of Oregacyn P73 in capsules and oil.

I am interested in taking Oregacyn to help my body continue to tolerate the three root canals I have in my mouth. The way I?m taking 2 Oregacyn gel caps and 2 capsules of 450 mg Oregacyn twice a day is on an empty stomach and I wait after I take them for a half hour before I eat. (Since Oregacyn is spicy-hot and aromatic, I found I must take it on an empty stomach to avoid a burning sensation in my stomach and burps that smell like a Pizza Parlor.)

Love,



Bonnie

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1 ?The Ancient Greeks? Favourite Medicinal Herb Could Help to Destroy Modern Viruses,? The Times, May 8, 2001.

2 Vijaya Manohar, Cass Ingram, Judy Gray, Nadeem A. Talpur, Bobby W. Echard, Debasis Bagchi, and Harry G. Preuss, ?Antifungal activities of origanum oil against Candida albicans,? Molecular and Cellular Biochemistry, 228: 115, 2001.

3 Pallavi Gogoi, ?Seeking an Anthrax Cure in Your Spice Garden,? Business Week, October 22, 2001.

4 ?Salva officinalis ? Sage,? in The Illustrated Encyclopedi of Essential Oils, 167.

5 John Heinerman, Ph.D., ?Sage advice: Warm up with this remarkable spice,? Better Nutrition, February 1999, 34.

6 Ibid (same source as above).

7 Ibid (same source as above).



? Copyright 2002- 2006 road-to-health.com

[FreeNow]

Watcha as I sit here hacking and coughing I am ordering some now. Thanks mucho.

[Marie]

Whatcha -- this is awesome, I can't read the whole thing now, but it looks promising!... Thanks much.

[FreeNow]

Another resource is Dr. Hulda Clark's 'The Cure to all Disease' at www.drclark.com

You can read more about her work at www.educate-yourself.org

[wolfman]

Dead Ramsters..........

Since I was in school here is a list of people I knew that are now DEAD KENNEDY'S.

Sophie
Crazy Dancin Dude
Mona
Vicki
Carroll
Yogamanda man
Real Estate Lady (gun shot)
Nice ole Grandpa black man
Olaff
Edith

[understanding]

Hello, I heard about a guy named WOLFGANG, he was German. He commited suicide in Yelm (Ramtha)
.
He was an artist (singing/performing arts). He owned or worked at a recording studio, at Ramtha or in Yelm, I am not sure about this info. He must have been between 25 and 40 years old. The suicide must have happened between 1995 - 2001.


I am trying to locate his parents in Germany. Does anyone remember his last name?
He was from the Heidelberg/Munich area in Germany.

Thanks so much!

[journeythroughramthaland]

Understanding,

I do not have any info on Wolfgang but hopefully someone else might.

I wanted to take a moment to speak about the fact that this thread along with "Is RSE a cult?", "leaving friends behind",and "mathematics of demonology" have gotten considerably more hits then the rest of the board.

In my thinking, I would assume that the additional numbers come from current students or non-current students that are not posting but reading. This would be a positive development. However, the issues that are part and parcel of RSE are complex and may vary from time to time.

So, simply reading to see if one might be involved in a cult or not might not be ascertained by simply reviewing that particular thread in the same respect as viewing student deaths may not paint an accurate picture.

I would think that those reading who are current or have been recently current in the school would recognize from those around them at the school an accurate picture of the over-all physical health of their fellow members. The fact that this thread has been viewed so much tells me that at least there is an interest that has been perked.

Those who are new in the school, probably are not aware of the many who have passed on and the conditions they passed on under. From many I have spoken with there is certainly a stigma to going to the doctor and getting ones health evaluated on a regular basis. I would think that given the conditions of study and predictions, one would want to make sure that they were in optimal health to participate and face TDTC.

If I am correct about who are coming to this and the other sections of the site are current or recently current students and if you disagree and or agree with positions taken here on emf, I for one would welcome your contribution if you can do so in a way which respects the purpose of the board. We can learn from our differences as well as what we might agree on.

I think I speak for most on this board when I say that to be a member of RSE does not stop most of us from being able to communicate with you in a respectful way.

It seems to me that at least some of those reading might have some important contributions to make that might help to widen the dialogue a bit.

Just so you know where I am coming from, some of the questions I might pose would be:

If you think RSE should not be defined as a cult, do you think that there is such a thing as a cult and if so, how would you describe that?

Do you think the deaths in the school are indicative of anything, if so, what?

Do you think that obtaining medical care on a regular basis is of value? Or, do you feel that by acknowlaging the fact that you might need medical attention you feel responsible for "creating that reality".

Do you feel that there are extremists within RSE, if so, are they those in a position of power? Or, what is their position and how are they delt with within the culture of the school? Does the school deal with them differently then the rest of society might??

Do you feel that RSE should back up its claims such as the ones Greg Simmons has made with regard to miraculous healings, or, do you feel the school is justified in making whatever claims due to the extraodinary nature of the school? Do you have any say in the matter? If not, when did you give up your say? If you do feel you have a say, how do you go about saying it? Is there a protocol that you need to follow?

Do you find conflict between what is taught and espoused and actual actions and behaviors observed?? If so, how do you handle that conflict? If you feel there is none, why??

These are real questions and obviously I would have many more and am open to answering some of your own should you wish to pose them to me.

Thanks for reading.

[Whatchamacallit]

To add to the list:

Long time students Thelma and Brenda both died of cancer that went undiagnosed until it was in latter stages.

There are MANY students who have died (passed this plane, as they say), in RSE. They are getting old and dying, or getting diseased and dying.

Furthermore, I remember a woman who allegedly committed suicide one night after an event and a man (staff), who had a great fall and died (off a cliff). It was stated that they wanted to be with Ramtha, and so they were. "Ramtha" also did a talk about suicide NOT being a way to go be with him in the unseen side of life, prematurely. Said that in committing suicide, one gets held back on the other side - a sort of punishment.

I remembered thinking to myself as I listened to that talk, "Wow, it's amazing that "he" has to tell people not to commit suicide. Like life isn't short enough even if you live to 100."

But, this is the level of fanaticism that exists for some students. Sad and scary, to think that life could be so marginalized and dishonored.

[Whatchamacallit]

Another dead man..... the Chairman of the Board. He was somewhat elderly, but not real old.

[California Dreamin']

Wake-up said (in a different thread):

How many times did we hear "death is the failure of living." So even though the teachings include reincarnation in their foundation, it's such a failure in the community mindset to be seriously ill or die. I know had that judgement.

I just learned that Anne Cassidy passed last week. She was once my partner. I remember her as a profoundly dedicated student of RSE. I'm told she was an active member of a local healing group, and that her last years were dedicated (at least in part) to the healing of others.

QUESTION FOR RAMTHA: How exactly was Anne's death a failure of living? What more could she have done to not fail at living?

Perhaps his reply would be: "I was there when she transmuted, and she is now "dancing in the 23rd universe," or maybe it would be "the answer is in the question, Master" or better yet, his answer might just be "FOCUS".

[ordinarymind]

Thanks for letting us know, CD ....I knew her only slightly but remember her as a dedicated student. I wonder how the RSE "community" is going to be able to rationalize the more and more deaths that will naturally occur as students age. Surely, you would think it would cause more red flags.

[G2G]

Sometimes I wonder about those who have been there from the start, believing and doing everything and anything JZ as ramtha tells them to do. Would they believe it if JZ herself told them it was all her "vision?" Or would they be in denial? "Oh, it's just a test." Reminds me of the movie, in a way, "The Recruit" with Al Pacino and Colin Farrell.

[California Dreamin']

Ordinary Mind said:


I wonder how the RSE "community" is going to be able to rationalize the more and more deaths that will naturally occur as students age. Surely, you would think it would cause more red flags.

Anne was just a mere 61 years young.

I think students deal with the deaths of fellow students by just not thinking about them after their great sendoff celebration. They pour a goblet (or two or three) of red wine (or tequila) and talk about how the deceased one is blessed to have been chosen by Ramtha to dance and rejoice in the 23rd Universe. They then imagine the person's presence in flickering candles, doors being blown open by gusty winds, or every inevitable power outage.

You know how they think -- if you dare question why someone such as Anne died, you'll magnetize to yourself that which you question and you could be the next to pass. (What about living to be 200?)

I'm aware of more deaths of ramsters than any other people I have ever been acquainted with in my life.

[Vanilla]

Greg Hale just died of suicide after attending a Ramtha Feast. I was told Ram said some of you will die at this table. I got the impression the suicide is girlfriend related, but still. You just dont know what caused it.

There is that young kid, I never knew, who slit his wrists in his car. He was a student. This was after Ram said 15 students this year will die. Now everyone thinks Ram is privy to who will die. Why doesnt Ram stop it then?

[appealing]

One of the things I had to cone to terms with after realizing that jz is a bs artist was that along with much of what she said I would indeed one day, through no fault of my own, face mortality. She wasn't lying when she said those people at the table would die, as alas will she and everyone else who has been given the amazing but temporary gift that is life. Even if reincarnation is something that you believe in this life has to end for another to begin. I believe it was T.S Elliot (though am happily corrected!) who, when asked if he feared death, responded something along the lines of 'well I was dead for billions of years before I was born and it never bothered me in the least.' I think that the message that people can create their own immortality is one of the most fantastic hooks that gets people interested in RSE in the first place. Jz then uses that exact same hook to keep people there.

The question that bugged the he'll out of me throughout my time at RSE was 'if I am truly a god then what difference would it make whether I was alive or not. And why, therefore, should I take such steps as building a ug? Why not just fully enjoy the experience of living truly as a participant of this world? Why would death be a problem to an eternal being? Hmmm. Yet none of my 'master' friends could ever say more to my questions than that I should slay my doubting mind (what they really meant was terminate all logical critical thought.) and that I was over analytical. I now know it as aware and reasonable!

I am so glad that I am free from that rubbish. I know that I experienced many moments of confusion and doubt such as 'what if I'm wrong?' when I made the choice to say goodbye to RSE. As I have learned to reconnect with the people around me and enjoy the beautiful and not even slightly mundane delights of living from day to day I can say with all certainty that Jz is less enlightened than my left foot and it is she who now has a hole so deep that she will almost certainly go insane trying to live with herself. The truth will out eventually, and you can be very glad that you are ahead of those still there in getting out.

[Vanilla]

Appealing--

People think Ramtha is god.

I say, Ramtha does not have the say so on who lives and dies. He is not God.

The reply, MAYBE HE IS.

But he has been wrong.

He said 15 of you at this table will die this year, at a feast,

15 people at this event will die this year. That hasnt happened!

I tell people and they say Yes it has. Well a few died.Yes, but that happens anyways.

[Marie]

I love what Joe Sz said once... You believe that a former satellite tv saleswoman channels a 35,000 year old warrior from lemuria who claims to be god and can foretell the future because .........SHE SAYS SO? Think about that.

[California Dreamin']

Sometimes I wonder about those who have been there from the start, believing and doing everything and anything JZ as ramtha tells them to do. Would they believe it if JZ herself told them it was all her "vision?" Or would they be in denial? "Oh, it's just a test." Reminds me of the movie, in a way, "The Recruit" with Al Pacino and Colin Farrell.

I've previously referred to a friend of mine who has been in the school since 1988. We played phone tag last week and finally connected. She had a sense of urgency to tell me about the latest doomsday predictions (17-hour live-stream).

My friend knows all of my feelings about Scamtha and the predictions, but said she owes it to herself to share the doom and gloom predictions with me so that I can make the necessary preparations to be safe when California disappears. I told her I didn't want to hear the details, and she replied that she understood that I was just insulating myself as a way of denial (or words to that effect). It really pushed my buttons when she said that.

Anyway, she actually said she agrees with much that I've told her about Scamtha and EMF, and that she can hardly wait until Ramtha finally disappears so that she can move away and "get on with her life." She said she won't leave the school now because the school has been her absolute focus all of these years. I am certain she is staying ONLY because she has been thoroughly brainwashed. Sometimes when I see her or talk with her and I bring the conversation arounds to JZ Knight's deceit, it's as if a switch goes off in my friend and she gets into this zone and mechanically repeats Ramtha-isms to me. She has become programmed to be rid of all of her critical thinking and believes it is absolutely sinful to have any judgements at all, even when she knows on some level she is being duped.

In spite of all of this, she adores and continues to be amazed and in wonderment of JZ. She believes JZ deserves all of her wealth since JZ has given up so much of her life to serve her students.

In my humble opinion,

JZ KNIGHT HAS A VERY LUCRATIVE "STAY AT HOME" JOB. SHE CAN LOOK THROUGH HER WINDOW TO THE FIELD AND BARK HER COMMANDS TO THE GUARDS VIA MICROPHONE. THEN SHE CAN RETURN TO HER ROOM AND GET BACK TO GETTING HER HAIR WEAVES, BOTOX INJECTIONS, AND BIKINI WAXINGS.

CD