Yes Sunshine and David, This is indeed a very fundamental and healthy topic for discussion. While it may get uncomfortable at times, it should never serve to be detrimental.
Universal love, the desire to make the world a better place, to make ones self a better person, to be able to deal with unpleasant realities of life in a more positive manner, the ideas that the human being has greater potential then is currently perceived within society are shared ideals of many who became involved and those that still are in RSE, those things are also a large part of the bait used to draw one towards RSE and organizations similar to them.
In RSE's case in particular, the use and manipulation of fear is what sinks the hook in once that bait has been taken.
The emotion of fear, being one of the most studied emotions next to love has been proven to have evolved as a survival mechanism from at least the time primates first set foot on the ground and experienced a whole new environment awaiting them.
Fear at the sight of a large predator coming after ones' self leads to many bodily responses (better known as "fight or flight") which places the body in a state of heightened activity needed to either run to escape, or stand and defend ones self.
Without it, there is little doubt that the big dude/dudette would ever had evolved to be the supposed Cro- magnon being that it claims to be.
Fear, being the powerful emotion that it is has historically been used throughout the ages for manipulation to serve others agendas, be it governments, religions, witch doctors, cult leaders and persons in one-on -one relationships. This is evidenced by just to mention a few, Stalin and Hitler, The inquisition, Romans and Christians, the Hindu Thugees,Islamic Jihads, human sacrifices, Jim Jones, Charles Manson, JZ Knight, OJ Simpson. The ones I have left out is only for purposes of space not necessarily due to the proportion of their importance.
I point all this out because in the context of discussing fear I feel one must acknowledge it as a tool of power which can and has been used by members of the human race for ages. Very few persons would be able to make a legitimate claim of ignorance to it. However, as history shows, once hooked and ones perception has been skewed towards the same as the manipulator wants it to be for their agenda (regardless of if they feel it is for the greater good or not) It can have devastating and long reaching effects on individuals and societies.
Let us examine for a moment the ways in which JZK inc. and her minions use and abuse this emotion necessary for survival. Please understand that when I speak of her minions, I do not necessarily mean that they are acting deliberately in this way, it is only a learned behavior for many a mind virus they have been infected with,. I do however believe that many in the hierarchy, including JZ/R are aware of what they are doing to a great degree.
I am going to start by beginning with a hypothetical journey of a woman I shall call Helga. For context, Helga has always felt herself to be a spiritual person, is recently divorced and is looking to start fresh in her life. She is, due to her recent life changes a bit skeptical of the world at large and her place in it. She has several close friends who have been through similar life changing events.
One day, she is invited to one of her friends house. She opens up about her problems, her friend listens attentively, when she finishes, her friend goes over to the bookshelf, takes a book from the shelf and hands her the book saying "this book helped me when I was going through a similar time perhaps it could help you"
"What is it about?" Helga says. "life" her friend answers (note this is the first instance of being cryptic or not fully disclosing when Helga had asked a question).
Helga throws the book in her bag and goes home. At some point in time she begins to read the book; "The White Book by Ramtha" Almost immediately it touches her, resonates with her as she reads on….. Next time she sees her friend and brings back the book she thanks her and asks her who is Ramtha?
Her friend says "My teacher" (Note again the cryptic nature and selective disclosure) Helga might say "Your Teacher??? I didn't know you were in school???" Her friend smiles broadly and with an unblinking stare says " Well I am, a Great School"……..
I am going to fast forward here, perhaps there is some more information imparted as to the nature of Ramtha and the nature of the school but as Helga would see in hindsight, it was like pulling teeth and all of it led to "You have to experience it for yourself…"
There is no talk about the teacher puking, snotting, peeing, cursing, shouting bigoted remarks and demeaning listeners from the stage. Note what was missing; note what is unknown needing to be made known for an informed consent to participate. Its like going to the hospital for what you think is going to be a visit and not being told they were going to anesthetize you and cut you open!
Now, what has helped to perpetuate all this??? When Helga asks her friend why she can't be more specific about what she is learning, her friend explains that she has sworn not to ever divulge what she is learning (more intrigue).
Helga eventually makes the decision to take a portion of her alimony payments and enroll for a beginners class at RSE ( now here is where some of you can help me out. I am not certain if one enrolls over the internet they sign the condition of participation on line or at the ranch) for purposes of this discussion she lines up in Yelm like in Disneyland to sign the conditions of participation. She sees what her friend spoke of, she sees it says she is entering into a "Solum covenant" not to disclose what she is to learn (lets not forget that will include at some time the snot,spit,vomit and pee) Helga doesn't really understand the meaning of solemn covenant in legal terms, she is more then likely looking at it as some sort of ritualistic oath into this what she has already learned is a " Mystery school"…..
As soon as she sees it and signs it that is what makes the impression on her. More then likely not the part about releasing JZK inc. from injuries possibly sustained there, not about the stuff that should she become one of JZK's honored "teachers" that she would really be tied up in knots.
Helga doesn't even have to set foot in the ranch and she is already fallen victim to a perception of fear should she disclose anything.
This is at the heart of JZK's operation. This is what she is attempting to use against anyone who might want to pull the curtains back and reveal that the wizard is not a wizard. Or to put it in Ramtha speak "lifting the veil"
Take a look at the consequences if it had not been signed; anyone who went to the school would be free to tell their friends they go to a school taught by a waxed faced broad who pees, snots, spits, curses and rants and raves for hours (just to mention a bit) and some of them might go to see it just to see if it is true that people actually pay money to see this. But wait….you don't have to go and see this, you can just look it up on the internet!!!
Oh…but that's no good…
then there would be no money made by JZK there would be no way to lure future recruits into her scam, her little ponzi scheme fed by peoples good intentions, trust, sincerity, willingness to help humanity and their dollars would dry up and she would be left alone, with no school, much less money, no adoration, no reason to have to put on the Ramtha go-go show she has had to put on for decades (that might be a positive for her) and those people who might have joined get to keep their good intentions, ability to trust, sincerity, willingness to help humanity and their dollars for their retirement, family, and whatever charities they choose (in a perfect world).
Here is a suggestion to those who think that piece of paper they signed can really rule their "sovereign" lives and keep them from telling even what they might BELIVE took place in their dreams!!!
Note; the following is for amusement purposes only and not to be construed as legal advice:
Make the unknown known.
Find yourself a Lawyer, one not connected to RSE in any way and ask them just how obligated you are to that document. Most attorneys will give an initial consultation for free.
David is right about the seriousness of having a subpoena served on ones self. However, in my experience the courts do not look kindly on a misuse of the subpoena powers. They regularly and actively guard against it because it reflects directly upon the court.
The perception of fear appears to be now on the other foot. Except now, this fear is based in reality. JZs actions are those of desperation and based upon the material that is out there it is understandable.Hers is a reaction of fear.
Jz/rs teachings of the elimination of emotions include fear, translating into the elimination of ones survival skill to be able to defend ones self. That is why people stand still while being attacked in the arena, that is why no one goes to anyones aid when they are being attacked. Both of those things are acts of submission
In fact, their perception of fear has been supplanted. In the above situations they are acting out of an instilled anxiety, one which would have been hard to perpetrate and perpetuate without signing her despicable agreement.
I have always thought that the Conditions of Participation she requires participants to sign is one of the main cards that held her card house up. I think that card is beginning to move and will soon disintegrate. It will be up to all of those who who have signed it or are considering signing it to decide if they will allow it to guide and restrict their behavior and their freedoms .
Keep this thread going. I think it is so important both for those involved with RSE, those who have exited RSE and those outside of RSE altogether who cannot grasp the dynamics at work which enables those involved to behave in the manner they do.