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"La Dernière valse des tyrans" ("The last waltz of the tyrants") de JZK/Ramtha cite "Les Rothschild : maîtres financiers des nations" parmi quelques références pour donner une épaisseur à ses révélations. Ce livre, "Les Rothschild : maîtres financiers des nations" signé John Reeves est paru en 1887. Les révélations de JZK/Ramtha rejoignent une tentative de démonstration de Charles Coughlin, prêtre américain en 1940, détournant notamment des propos attribués à John Reeves.

"According to Mr. John Reeves, who wrote on page 228, of an authorized biography entitled : "The Rothschild, the financial rulers of nations", based on research on their own archives, there was a famous meeting in the city of London in 1857. The great Rothschild family was assembled from the countries of Europe for the marriage of Lionel Rothschild's daughter, Leonaura, to her cousin, Alphonse, son of James Rothschild of paris. Disraeli is reported to have said : "Under this roof are the heads of the family Rothschild - a name famous in every capital of Europe and every division of the globe. If you like, we shall divided the United States into two parts, one for you, James, and one for you, Lionel. Napoleon will do exactly and all that I shall advise him."
(Journal "Social Justice", p.8, article "Abraham Lincoln and Rothschilds", Charles Coughlin, 12 février 1940).

"At the banquet after the marriage ceremony, Count Persigny, the French Ambassador, proposed the health of the bride and the bridegroom. He was followed by Mr Disraeli, whose duty it was to propose the health of the bride's parents. His speech on this happy occasion is said to have been one of the best social addresses he ever delivered, which is not strange, for he is known to have been for many years one of the most intimate friends of the family, and of Baron Lionel in particular. In the course of his speech he made a remark worth reproducing : " Under this roof are the heads of the name and family of Rothschild a name famous in every capital in Europe and every division of the globe a family not more regarded for its riches than esteemed for its honour, virtues, integrity, and public spirit." Eight years later another festive gathering brought the family together. On June 7th, 1 865, the youngest daughter, Evelina, was married to Baron Ferdinand, the eldest son of Baron Salomon, of Vienna. Unhappily, these joyful festivities were followed by a mournful conclusion, as the bride, who had been at all times so charming for her sweetness of disposition and gracious manners, died the next year in giving birth to her first child."
("The Rothschild : the financial rulers of nations", John reeves, 1887, ed. A.C. McClueg & Co, p228-229)

John Reeves ne s'était quant à lui pas embarrassé pour reprendre en 1887 le contenu d'articles d'époque relatant le mariage en 1857.

"The Right Hon. B. Disraeli rose and said –We have heard with an emotion felt by all, the wishes expressed for the health and happiness of the hero and heroine of this memorable day. But there are others present who are entitled to our affectionate respect. Under this roof are the heads of the name and family of Rothschild –a name famous in every capital of Europe, and every division of the globe – a family not more regarded for its riches than esteemed for its virtues, honour, integrity, and public spirit."
(Journaux "Otago Witness", 18 juillet 1857, p. 7 / et "THE PRESS", 7 mars 1857)

Un fil conducteur de Coughlin à JZK/Ramtha

"Textbook that have been carefully edited continue to teach American School children that the American Civil War was fought over the Slavery issue; that is, that the South did not wish to free the negro-slaves. But if we look behind the scenes we will find that the "slave question" was the surface issue."
("Social Justice","Abraham Lincoln and Rothschilds", col.1, ligne 1 à 9)
"Ce sont ces mêmes familles qui ont suscité la guerre de sécession dans votre pays, la guerre civile entre les gens du Nord et les gens du Sud. […] Ce fut le résultat d'une manipulation. Le nord voulait la richesse du Sud. L'esclavage n'était pas le vrai motif de cette guerre."
("Dernière valse des tyrans", chap. "Napoléon…", p.27)

"Below the surface ran a current of intrigue that ended with the assassination of Abraham Lincoln because he was determined that the United States be free from the bondage of the international bankers."
("Social Justice","Abraham Lincoln and Rothschilds", col.1, ligne 9 à 15)"
Après avoir décidé que ce pays imprimerait sa propre monnaie sans intérêts pour la souveraineté du peuple, il [Lincoln] fut éliminé parce qu'il représentait une menace pour un système déjà bien enraciné en Europe et qui, à ce moment là, contrôlait les économies du monde […]."
("Dernière valse des tyrans", chap. "Napoléon…", p.28)

"The Missouri Compromise was written in 1820. Thirty years later, a subsequent compromise of 1850 was effected. For thirty years America had worked out her problems–the problem of slavery and later the problem of State Rights– satisfactorily. Even as late as the Kensas-Nebraska Act, the give-and-take of compromise was effective. Yet in the year of 1857 the war was decided upon, not in the prospering South, not in the prospering North, but in London, England!"
("Social Justice","Abraham Lincoln and Rothschilds", col.1, ligne 16 à 29)
"L'esclavage n'était pas le vrai motif de cette guerre. C'était une façon de l'excuser. Les esclaves étaient déjà en voie d'acquérir leur liberté, longtemps avant l'irruption de cette flambée de violence."
("Dernière valse des tyrans", chap. "Napoléon…", p.27)

"In the year 1857, the money power of old Europe centered in the House of Rothschild. Disraeli represented them in England; Napoleon III in France; Bismarck in Germany and Mazzini in Italy."
("Social Justice","Abraham Lincoln and Rothschilds", ligne 32 à 37)
"En 1857, la dynastie des Rothschild avait placé des gens leur ayant prêté allégeance ou dévoués à leurs intérêts à des positions importantes aux niveaux décisionnels à travers l'Europe, à d'autres endroits autour du globe et aux États-Unis. En 1857, il y eut une réunion à Londres."
("Dernière valse des tyrans", chap. "Napoléon…", p.27)

"According to Mr. John Reeves, who wrote on page 228, of an authorized biography entitled : "The Rothschild, the financial rulers of nations", based on research on their own archives, there was a famous meeting in the city of London in 1857. The great Rothschild family was assembled from the countries of Europe for the marriage of Lionel Rothschild's daughter, Leonaura, to her cousin, Alphonse, son of James Rothschild of paris. Disraeli is reported to have said : "Under this roof are the heads of the family Rothschild - a name famous in every capital of Europe and every division of the globe. If you like, we shall divided the United States into two parts, one for you, James, and one for you, Lionel. Napoleon will do exactly and all that I shall advise him."
("Social Justice","Abraham Lincoln and Rothschilds", ligne 37 à 59)
"Ils y planifièrent toutes les guerres à venir en Europe et aux États-Unis, aussi loin que la Deuxième guerre Mondiale, la dernière des guerres planifiées. Ce sont ces mêmes familles qui ont suscité la guerre de sécession dans votre pays, la guerre civile entre les gens du Nord et les gens du Sud. C'est vrai. Ceux qui étaient de connivence avec les armuriers, qui également n'avaient aucune allégeance envers aucun pays, créèrent la guerre civile qui éclata en Amérique". "
("Dernière valse des tyrans", chap. "Napoléon…", p.27)

"Thus, in London, we see a plan fostered by the money power of Europe, moving in on America, and pitting the North against the South under the old principe of "divide and conquer". The North was to become a British colony annexed to Canada, while the South would go to Napoleon III of France!".
("Social Justice","Abraham Lincoln and Rothschilds", ligne 60 à 68)
"Depuis son élection dans ce pays, il [Lincoln] s'était efforcé d'interrompre l'achat par les États-Unis de devises européennes et ce, dans un but purement économique. Il savait également tout du conflit qui était en train d'être créé, visant à dresser frère contre frère".
("Dernière valse des tyrans", chap. "Napoléon…", p.27)

"Lincoln decided to eliminate the international banker by establishing a system of loans, allowing the States to borrow directly from the people without intermediary. He did not study financial questions, but his robust good sense revealed to him that the source of any wealth resides in the work and economy of the nation."
("Social Justice","Abraham Lincoln and Rothschilds", 3eme col.)
"Il s'efforça désespérément de faire en sorte que les gens de ce pays soient en possession de leur propre argent. Après avoir décidé que ce pays imprimerait sa propre monnaie sans intérêts pour la souveraineté du peuple, il fut éliminé parce qu'il représentait une menace pour un système déjà bien enraciné en Europe et qui, à ce moment là, contrôlait les économies du monde et également bien sûr, celle de cette nouvelle nation sans expérience."
("Dernière valse des tyrans", chap. "Napoléon…", p.27-28)

Et avant Charles Edward Coughlin ?

En 1926 paraît "THE SECRET WORLD GOVERNMENT or The hidden hand, The Unrevealed in History, 100 historical "Mysteries" Explained (The Anti-Bolshevist Publishing Association) 1926." sur le nom de Maj.-Gen., Count Cherep-Spiridovich. on y retrouve ce petit fil rouge en page 165, dans le chapitre "The hidden hand plans to conquer US" :

The Second Rule of my Science of Political Foresight always demands the question : "Where is or will be the Hidden Hand." The historians overlook the "Tigers" of the political Zoo." The "War of (Rothschilds) Crime" in Crimea nearly ruined England and France. The former had 4.000 million dollars of debts. Europe was impoverished. Whom to plunder next? Whom to embroil in new conflicts? The Rothschilds were looking for fresh victims.
In 1857, at the marriage of Lionel's daughter, Leonora, to her cousin Alfonse, son of James of Paris, all the Rothschilds were assembled in London. The sinister Jew, Disraeli, said "Under this roof are the heads of the family of Rothschild - a name famous in every capital in Europe and every division of the globe" (Reeves, p. 228) . Yes! But what could not fail to happen? The following. After dinner James Rothschild III, Lionel and Disraeli sat together and "conspired". James, always harsh, could not fail to grumble : "How about the globe? The New World is not yet ours." Disraeli could not resist jumping to his feet and boast "If you like, we shall divide the United States in two parts, one for you (James) and one for you (Lionel) . Napoleon will do exactly, and all, that I shall advise him, and to Bismarck will be suggested such an intoxicating program, as to make of him our abject slave." The three Jews decided then and there to destroy and plunder the United States, a-, we shall see . Even a hundred years ago the issues between the Northern and Southern States produced greater dissensions and outbreaks. But the Hidden Hand was not interested then in the disturbances. Now the Hidden Hand decided to smash America and a tricky Jew, Judah P, Benjamin, was selected. According to Mr. Burton Hendrick he "was the brain of the revolt" .
("THE SECRET WORLD GOVERNMENT…" Cherep-Spiridovich, p165)

"According to Mr. John Reeves, who wrote on page 228, of an authorized biography entitled : "The Rothschild, the financial rulers of nations", based on research on their own archives, there was a famous meeting in the city of London in 1857. The great Rothschild family was assembled from the countries of Europe for the marriage of Lionel Rothschild's daughter, Leonaura, to her cousin, Alphonse, son of James Rothschild of paris. Disraeli is reported to have said : "Under this roof are the heads of the family Rothschild - a name famous in every capital of Europe and every division of the globe. If you like, we shall divided the United States into two parts, one for you, James, and one for you, Lionel. Napoleon will do exactly and all that I shall advise him."
("Social Justice","Abraham Lincoln and Rothschilds", ligne 37 à 59)
"Judah P. Benjamin was chosen by the Rothschilds to do their work in the United States and he was the first adviser to Jefferson Davis, the president of the Southern Confederacy. Benjamin has been called "the brains of the revolt". He was also the Secretary of State of the Conspiracy under Jeff Davis."
("Social Justice","Abraham Lincoln and Rothschilds", col.1 ligne 82 à 90)

A suivre

"Social Justice", 12 février 1940 : http://www.unz.org/Pub/SocialJustice-1940feb12-00008
"The Rothschilds : the financial rulers of nations " John reeves : http://archive.org/stream/rothschildsfi ... t_djvu.txt
"The Otago Witness", juillet 1857, http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bi ... --1----2--
"The Press", 7 mars 1857, à chercher sur : http://newspaperarchive.com

Dans « La dernière valse des tyrans. La prophétie. Nouvelle version » (2009, Ed.Ada), le personnage de « Ramtha » s’accorde avec Judith « Zebra » Knight (« sa fille ») à propos des politiciens :

Ma fille a cité le grand écrivain Cicéron qui disait vrai lorsqu’il disait : « Les politiciens ne naissent pas, ils sont excrétés ».

Extrait accessible sur Google Livre, p.41 : http://books.google.fr/books?id=c4yW_Sz ... ro&f=false

La citation peut marquer. On pourrait s’en satisfaire et continuer la lecture. Ou s’y arrêter et en l’absence de référence, chercher le titre original pour approfondir le sujet. Dans une version française, pas de correspondance avec un livre de Cicéron. À partir de la traduction en anglais alors peut-être : « Politicians aren’t born ; they are excreted ». Quelques pistes. En 2012, incorporé dans le récit du roman « The Tatra eagle » de J.V. Tatrzanski. Dans « The Gilligan principal » de Steve Lee, en distribution numérique. Dans le « Guide de Geary des meilleurs aphoristes mondiaux » (tdlr) paru en 2008. En 2001, dans « Persuasion : reception and responsibility » de C.U. Larson, ouvrage « pour aider les étudiants à devenir des consommateurs de persuasion » (tdlr) dans le maniement du langage. Avec F. Calkins en 1973 dans « Jackson Hole ». Cité, inséré dans un récit, mais toujours sans titre pour aller à la pensée initiale, pas plus dans les centaines de pages internet qui reprennent l’expression, dans des discussions et des démonstrations. Précisant parfois que Marcus Tullius Cicero fut un homme d’état romain. Comme pour donner plus de poids à un enjeu qui aurait échappé. La citation se trouve également dans plusieurs livres de Taylor Caldwell :

▪ En 1982, dans « Glory and the lightning ». Sans lui être attribuée, la citation est adossée à Zénon qui aurait enseigné la philosophie à Péricles aux environs de 400 avant JC. :

Alas, Zeno would think, he has the attributes of a politician, and, as it is said, politicians are not born, they are excreted.

▪ En 1981, dans « Ceremony of the innocent », attribuée cette fois à Aristote (la recherche de correspondance n’apportant pas plus de succès) par un personnage, pour exprimer que les Démocrates et les Républicains sont « tous les mêmes » :

« It doesn’t matter if you are Democrats or Republicans. Politicians are all alike. As Aristotle said, ‘Politicians are not born. They are excreted.’  » No one was amused.

▪ En 1981, dans « Captains and the kings » avec une tournure affirmative laissant peu de place à l’interrogation :

He thought of what Cicero had said: « Politicians are not born. They are excreted. » It was hardly a quotation to mention to a young lady, but he smiled again. 

▪ En 1968, dans « Testimony of two men », dans un passage sur l’ambition et le mensonge :

After all, he was a politician, and he himself delighted in repeating what Cicero had said: « Politicians are not born. They are excreted.

Avant 1968, apparemment rien. La possibilité d’une adaptation n’étant pas exclue depuis le latin, l’insistance de Taylor Caldwell pourrait à son tour susciter une curiosité. Après tout, de 1968 à 1982, la formule a participé à un discours avant d’être reprise pour être diffusée. La référence de JZK/Ramtha dans ce discours, situé dans le livre en novembre 1987, pourrait donc être Taylor Caldwell. Taylor Caldwell, abordée pour avoir publié « The romance of Atlantis » en 1975 avec Jess Stearn, le thème de l’Atlantide étant central. Pour le livre « Soulmates » avec Jess Stearn sur le sujet de la communication extra-sensorielle. Pour le livre « Captains et the Kings » et l’épopée de personnages sur fond d’intrigues politiques et financières pour aborder les thèmes de la corruption et de la puissance. Dont l’engagement politique avec le « Liberty Lobby » et la « John Birch Society », ajoute un point de rencontre avec les références de JZK/Ramtha à Myron Coureval Fagan.

Et ailleurs…
Une autre phrase associée à Cicéron est devenue citation dans des discours et des démonstrations, depuis les années 1970 jusqu’à présent.

« The national budget must be balanced. The public debt must be reduced ; the arrogance of the authorities must be moderated and controlled. Payments to foreign governments must be reduced, if the nation doesn’t want to go bankrupt. People must again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance ».


(tdlr : Le budget national doit être équilibré, les déficits publics doivent être réduits ; l’arrogance de l’administration doit être tempérée et contrôlée. Les paiements à des gouvernements étrangers doivent être réduits, si la nation ne veut pas aller à la faillite. Les gens doivent encore apprendre à travailler, plutôt que de vivre de l’aide publique).

C’est à un J.H. Collins, professeur d’histoire à la « Northern Illinois University », qu’est attribuée l’identification de la forme narrative ayant inspiré la citation.

Cicero looked at his colleague’s cheerful and handsome face and his winsome eyes, and shook his head in dismay. Reared in republican virtues, Cicero found himself frequently confounded by Antonius. Antonius heartily agreed with him that the budget should be balanced, that the Treasury should be refilled, that public debt should be reduced, that the arrogance of the generals should be tempered and controlled, that assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest Rome become bankrupt, that the mobs should be forced to work and not depend on government for subsistence, and that prudence and frugality should be put into practice as soon as possible. But when Cicero produced facts and figures how all these things must and should be accomplished, by austerity and discipline and commonsense, Antonius became troubled.



« A pillar of Iron », Taylor Caldwell, 1965, 1ère édition, p.483.

L’usage d’une Grèce et d’une Rome revisitées dans des tentatives de démonstration de Taylor Caldwell ou d’autres soulève en retour des interrogations lorsqu’il s’agit d’aborder les thèmes de la République, de la guerre civile, de la place de la religion dans la cité…


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In "The last waltz of the tyrants. The prophecy. Revisited "the character of" Ramtha "agrees with Judith" Zebra "Knight (" daughter ") about politicians:

My daughter mentioned the great writer Cicero spoke the truth when he said: "Politicians are not born, they are excreted."

Google Book, p.41 : http://books.google.fr/books?id=c4yW_Sz ... ro&f=false

The quote may be surprising. Could be satisfied and continue reading. Or stop there and because of the lack of reference, seek the original title for further study. In the French version, not a book of correspondence with Cicero. English then maybe. Some tracks. In 2012, incorporated into the narrative of the novel "The Tatra eagle" JV Tatrzanski. In "The main Gilligan" Steve Lee, digital distribution. In the "Geary's Guide to the World's Great Aphorists" published in 2008. In 2001, "Persuasion: reception and responsibility" CU Larson book "to help students become consumers of persuasion" in the use of language. With F. Calkins in 1973 "Jackson Hole." Quoted, inserted into a story, but still no title to go to the original thought, nor the hundreds of web pages that repeat the phrase in discussions and demonstrations. Sometimes specifying Marcus Tullius Cicero was a Roman statesman. As to give more weight to an issue that would have been overlooked. The quotation is also found in several books of Taylor Caldwell :

▪ In 1982, "Glory and the lightning." The quote is backed by Zeno would have taught philosophy at Pericles around 400 BC:

Alas, Zeno Would think, He has the attributes of a politician, and, as it is Said, politicians are not born, They are excreted.

▪ In 1981, "Ceremony of the innocent", The quote is attributed to Aristotle this time (research correspondence not bringing more success) by a character to express that Democrats and Republicans are "all the same":

"It does not matter if you are Democrats or Republicans. Politicians are all alike. As Aristotle Said, 'Politicians are not born. They are excreted. '"No one was amused.

▪ In 1981, "Captains and the Kings" The quotation has a twist categorical leaving little room for the query:

He thought of what had Cicero said: "Politicians are not born. They are excreted. "It was hardly a quotation to mention to a young lady, he Smiled goal again.

▪ In 1968, in "Testimony of two men," in a passage on the ambition and deceit: Prior to 1968, apparently nothing. The possibility of adaptation is not excluded from the Latin, Taylor Caldwell's insistence could raise curiosity. After all, from 1968 to 1982, the formula has participated in a speech before being taken to publish. The reference JZK / Ramtha in this discourse, located in the book in November 1987, could be Taylor Caldwell. Taylor Caldwell addressed for publishing "The romance of Atlantis" by Jess Stearn 1975 with the theme of Atlantis being central. The book "Soulmates" with Jess Stearn on the subject of extra-sensory communication. The book "Captains and the Kings" and the epic character background of political intrigue and financial to address issues of corruption and power. Whose political engagement with the "Liberty Lobby" and "John Birch Society," says a meeting with references JZK / Ramtha on Myron Coureval Fagan .


And elsewhere ...
Another phrase associated with Cicero became quote in speeches and demonstrations from the 1970s to the present.

"The national budget must be balanced. The public debt must be Reduced, the Arrogance of the Authorities must be moderated and controlled. Payments to foreign gouvernements must be Reduced, if the nation does not want to go bankrupt. People must again learn to work, INSTEAD of living on public assistance. "

This is a JH Collins, professor of history at the "Northern Illinois University", assigned the identification of what the narrative form that inspired the quote.

Cicero Looked at his colleague's cheerful and handsome face and his winsome eyes, and shook his head in dismay. Reared in republican virtues, Cicero found himself confounded by Antonius Frequently. Antonius Agreed heartily with him que le budget shoulds be balanced, that 'shoulds be Refilled the Treasury, that' public debt shoulds be Reduced, that 'the arrogance of the generals shoulds be tempered and controlled, that' Assistance to foreign lands curtailed shoulds be bankrupt Become ballast Rome , that 'the mobs shoulds be forced to work and not depend on government for subsistence, and prudence and frugality That shoulds be put into practice as soon as possible. Purpose When Cicero produced facts and figures how all things must thesis and shoulds be accomplished, by austerity and discipline and commonsense, Antonius Became troubled.

"A pillar of Iron", Taylor Caldwell, 1965, 1st edition, p.483.

The use of Greece and Rome revisited in an attempted demonstration of Taylor Caldwell or other return raises questions when it comes to addressing the themes of the Republic, the Civil War, the place of religion in the city…
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