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Hopefully the RSE prozac days are over.
But for those that think JZR did not promote and encourage RSE students to taking prozac..
read on........

David.

"I find the neurotransmitting qualities of Prozac to be extraordinarily favorable because it replaces what drugs and marijuana, too much hard drink, and too much pollution does finally to the brain. It makes the synaptic cleft incapable of pulling up and holding serotonin. Without serotonin being held at the synaptic cleft, those who suffer depression and erratic thinking cannot function correctly because the brain is unduly starved and mutated by a severe amount of drugs. This mercifully corrects the problem and allows serotonin to be taken up into the neuron and held there without immediately being released. This affords the neuron the ability to be a transmitter and a receiver of thought. Prozac is what brings back a calming, logical, flowing thinking, whereas marijuana destroys the brain. It destroys the brain cells. The 'high' is the death of the brain."
JZK 'Ramtha' 1996.

From the RSE Newsletter November 2006.
"Prozac isn't a drug. It is an inhibitor. The part of your brain you use every day is your 'beefy' brain. It is the brain that takes the lion's share of serotonin to get up and get moving those chemicals. If we are living exclusively for our brain chemistry, we have a collapse of emotion. Eventually we are going to get bored with what we are doing and we are going to collapse and start being manic-depressive. What that means is that no matter what you do, you see that you have already done it so the joy is going to be short-lived. That is called manic- depressiveness. It is a chronic condition."
"Prozac takes up serotonin and holds it so there are new parts of your brain that actually come alive. The old neuronet doesn't get the lion's share of serotonin so you don't have a tendency to be depressed. You don't have a tendency to be habitual. You will not have a tendency to overeat. You will not have a tendency to be oversexual. You will not be violent. You will not have fantasies that grow within 'the corral' over there. You will start living from a new part of your brain. All Prozac does is make sure that this new part of the brain takes up serotonin, keeps it there, and uses it."

"In the old days, really old days, leaders of continents, nations, and principalities taught people how to think. To help them along, they used to put an herb called rauwolfia in the community water well. In other words, quietly they endeavored to put the herb equivalent of Prozac in the village water well. The reason they did that was because leaders of peoples a long, long time ago had a very different responsibility than the famed and fortunate ones of today. They had the exquisite duty of reinstating confidence, protection, and equalness within the people, and rauwolfia was a wonderful drug in water that relieved people's insecurity."

JZK Ramtha 2000..

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Prozac.com - Safety Information
PROZAC is a medicine approved by the FDA for the treatment of Major Depressive Disorder,
Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder, Bulimia Nervosa and Panic Disorder ...
link..
http://www.prozac.com/common_pages/safe ... mation.jsp

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Fluoxetine hydrochloride (Prozac)
Wikipedia link..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluoxetine

and let's not forget the female nurse practitioner who dispensed the majority of the prozac to RSE students as the result of such an
"astounding teaching."
I wish someone could pull all of the RSE students medical files from the Yelm family clinic to coordinate the dates of this.
What? then have current RSE students cry "privacy laws?"
nice try.

"""Prozac isn't a drug. It is an inhibitor. The part of your brain you use every day is your 'beefy' brain. It is the brain that takes the lion's share of serotonin to get up and get moving those chemicals. If we are living exclusively for our brain chemistry, we have a collapse of emotion. Eventually we are going to get bored with what we are doing and we are going to collapse and start being manic-depressive. What that means is that no matter what you do, you see that you have already done it so the joy is going to be short-lived. That is called manic- depressiveness. It is a chronic condition."""

From a professional medical perspective, this is hogwash! Prozac IS a drug, be it an "inhibitor" or brain anesthetic!!!! I find it difficult to comprehend how medical pros in the jrk's audience managed to swallow this, and I do know there were/are bonafide medical people in the school. I would be frightened to be one of their patients if they swallowed this pile of...(insert euphemism). So anyone who does not take Prozac will become bored with their lives and what they do only subsequently to become manic-depressive (aka bipolar disorder)? What an immense generalization.

I DO know jrk did take Prozac, since she stated it at my beginner's event in July, 2006. She claimed to have been on Prozac for two years and added that she "loved it."

I wonder if jrk has ever been aware of the warning in the PDR (Physician's Desk Reference) for Prozac? I'll just type a few here:

"WARNING:

"Clinical Worsening and Suicide Risk - Patients with major depressive disorder (MDD), both adult and pediatric, may experience worsening of their depression and/or the emergence of suicidal ideation and behavior (suicidality) or unusual changes in behavior, whether or not they are taking antidepressant medications, and this risk may persist until significant remission occurs. There has been a long-standing concern that antidepressants may have a role in inducing worsening of depression and the emergence of suicidality in certain patients. Antidepressants increased the risk of suicidal thinking and behavior (suicidality) in short-term studies."

Now to some "symptoms" developed while on this drug: "The following symptoms, anxiety, agitation, panic attacks, insomnia, irritability, hostility, aggressiveness, impulsivity, akathisia (psychomotor restlessness) hypomania, and mania, have been reported in adult and pediatric patients being treated with antidepressants for major depressive disorder as well as for other indications, both psychiatric and nonpsychiatric."

Another important paragraph in the PDR: "Screening Patients for Bipolar Disorder (formerly known as "Manic-Depressive") - A major depressive episode may be the initial presentation of bipolar disorder. It is generally believed that treating such an episode with an antidepressant alone may INCREASE the likelihood of precipitation of a mixed/MANIC episode in patients at risk for bipolar disorder."

"Prior to initiating treatment with an antidepressant, patients with depressive symptoms should be adequately screened to determine if they are at risk for bipolar disorder; such screening should include a detailed psychiatric history, including a family history of suicide, bipolar disorder, and depression. It should be noted that Prozac is NOT approved for use in treatiing bipolar depression."

Hope this helps someone. If the nurse-practitioner in Yelm IS indeed prescribing and not following the PDR, the pharmacists filling the prescriptions have a DUTY to voice their concern to medical authorities, ie, state board of nursing. Her actions might be responsible for the deterioration of an otherwise healthy individual.

Open their eyes that they might seee (aka TAKE OF THOSE DANGED BLINDERS!)

Jrk knows not of what she speaks.

Thank you Tree and G2G,

Here is a link to the original EMF message forum on this subject.

Eternal sunshine - Ramtha and Prozac

http://pub43.bravenet.com/forum/3633497066/show/624549

well G2Gyou must be wrong.jzr stated on an event that only people with an obsession to control get trouble with prosac.otherwise its cuting edge medicine.because you cant conect to your past therefore your neuronet which created the condition for your illnes in the first place cant uphold the sick condition.perfect solution:eternal sunnshine of the ramstermind.

My major depression was pre-Prozac, but I don't think I can emphasize enough how much I agree with this quote:

"Clinical Worsening and Suicide Risk - Patients with major depressive disorder (MDD), both adult and pediatric, may experience worsening of their depression and/or the emergence of suicidal ideation and behavior (suicidality) or unusual changes in behavior, whether or not they are taking antidepressant medications, and this risk may persist until significant remission occurs. There has been a long-standing concern that antidepressants may have a role in inducing worsening of depression and the emergence of suicidality in certain patients. Antidepressants increased the risk of suicidal thinking and behavior (suicidality) in short-term studies."

and this one is bang on:

Now to some "symptoms" developed while on this drug: "The following symptoms, anxiety, agitation, panic attacks, insomnia, irritability, hostility, aggressiveness, impulsivity, akathisia (psychomotor restlessness) hypomania, and mania, have been reported in adult and pediatric patients being treated with antidepressants for major depressive disorder as well as for other indications, both psychiatric and nonpsychiatric"

Yup yup yup...I really feel strongly that such drugs are only for short-term use, only work for some people, and must, absolutely must, be monitored by some sort of treatment specialist.
Careful screening of the patient/client/depressed person in advance is essential..has the person ever attempted suicide in the past? Is he or she sensitive to any component of the medication? Does he or she have a predilection for violence, or have poor impulse control, as a general rule? These are questions that ought to be asked before such medications are prescribed.

I am pleased that you mostly agree that it is no longer used at the ranch.

I always heard Jz as ram, slur her words, and I wasn't aware of her drinking on stage. I mean, like downer like. Anyone else?

Related:

JZKRamtha - Prozac Enlightenment - Dr.Kathy May - Illegal Use - RSE - EMF)
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