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Joe Szimhart :idea: recommended I check out Mystical Manipulation from Robert Jay Lifton’s book,“Thought Reform and the Psychology of Totalism
After I shared my own experience of a "visionary experiences"back in 1973 as proof the boy Guru I was following at that time must be enlightened and Godlike.. I remember receiving 'Holy Darshan' in London whree I was required to kiss the feet of this 16 year old Indian boy Guru Maharaji
where I almost collapsed in bliss :shock: this led me to seven years of devotion worshiping this Guru who was basically controlled by his mother who was also relatively clueless except for making money. Its a very important subject I would like to understand more.
Check out the Joe Rogan interview with Rebecca Lemov who explores Mystical Manipulations in her new book ""The Instability of Truth: Brainwashing, Mind Control and Hyper-Persuasion," I recently posted on EMF
Thank you Joe :-)

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Robert Jay Lifton’s book,“Thought Reform and the Psychology of Totalism: A Study of ‘Brainwashing’ in China.

Mystical Manipulation
The inevitable next step after milieu control is extensive personal manipulation. This manipulation assumes a no-holds-barred character, and uses every possible device at the milieu’s command, no matter how bizarre or painful. Initiated from above, it seeks to provoke specific patterns of behavior and emotion in such a way that these will appear to have arisen spontaneously from within the environment. This element of planned spontaneity, directed as it is by an ostensibly omniscient group, must assume, for the manipulated, a near-mystical quality.

Ideological totalists do not pursue this approach solely for the purpose of maintaining a sense of power over others. Rather they are impelled by a special kind of mystique which not only justifies such manipulations, but makes them mandatory. Included in this mystique is a sense of “higher purpose,” of having “directly perceived some imminent law of social development,” and of being themselves the vanguard of this development. 3 By thus becoming the instruments of their own mystique, they create a mystical aura around the manipulating institutions — the Party, the Government, the Organization. They are the agents “chosen” (by history, by God, or by some other supernatural force) to carry out the “mystical imperative,” 4 the pursuit of which must supersede all considerations of decency or of immediate human welfare. Similarly, any thought or action which questions the higher purpose is considered to be stimulated by a lower purpose, to be backward, selfish, and petty in the face of the great, overriding mission. This same mystical imperative produces the apparent extremes of idealism and cynicism which occur in connection with the manipulations of any totalist environment: even those actions which seem cynical in the extreme can be seen as having ultimate relationship to the “higher purpose.”

At the level of the individual person, the psychological responses to this manipulative approach revolve about the basic polarity of trust and mistrust. One is asked to accept these manipulations on a basis of ultimate trust (or faith): “like a child in the arms of its mother,” as Father Luca accurately perceived. He who trusts in this degree can experience the manipulations within the idiom of the mystique behind them: that is, he may welcome their mysteriousness, find pleasure in their pain, and feel them to be necessary for the fulfillment of the “higher purpose” which he endorses as his own. But such elemental trust is difficult to maintain; and even the strongest can be dissipated by constant manipulation.

When trust gives way to mistrust (or when trust has never existed) the higher purpose cannot serve as adequate emotional sustenance. The individual then responds to the manipulations through developing what I shall call the psychology of the pawn. Feeling himself unable to escape from forces more powerful than himself, he subordinates everything to adapting himself to them. He becomes sensitive to all kinds of cues, expert at anticipating environmental pressures, and skillful in riding them in such a way that his psychological energies merge with the tide rather than turn painfully against himself. This requires that he participate actively in the manipulation of others, as well as in the endless round of betrayals and self-betrayals which are required.
But whatever his response — whether he is cheerful in the face of being manipulated, deeply resentful, or feels a combination of both — he has been deprived of the opportunity to exercise his capacities for self-expression and independent action.

Much more here...
https://cultrecovery101.com/chapter-22- ... -totalism/
But he has nothing on at all, cried at last the whole people....
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The key to applying Lifton's "mystical manipulation to why it works is the nearly universal mistake of naive spiritual seekers that say, "I know it's true because my personal experience says it's true." Personal experience is merely the beginning of inquiry...never the end..to verify anything. Every con-artist and magician knows how to manipulate your personal experience. Plant a RED FLAG every time you hear that someone's personal experience verified the "truth." Personal experiences are wonderful in aesthetics when you enjoy dancing, a new painting by your favorite painter, or how you felt swept away the first time you heard Luciano Pavarotti sing Ave Maria in a basilica. The feeling of awe does not mean your experienced truth. Ave Maria by Pavarotti: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpYGgtrMTYs
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So, to expand on this point, "Ave Maria" is part of Roman Catholic aesthetics celebrating the "Hail Mary" prayer. As sung by Pavarotti, the song exalts the doctrine, sending hearts soaring, amplifying the Gospel or Good News that Christ the King has been conceived in the maid's womb. Is the "virgin" Miriam truly the Mother of God as the mother of Jesus? What is true is that this is not history, it is theology. Only the gospels of Matthew and Luke say anything about the birth of Jesus and there are conflicts and dissimilarities between the two. Astute Biblical scholars agree with Fr. Raymond Brown's analyses of the birth story in all its complexity. [over 700 pages of dense scholarship: https://www.amazon.com/Birth-Messiah-Co ... 0300140088 }

Even as a priest, Brown carefully and faithfully reiterates many points of view based on the best hermeneutics of his day that used exegesis. Reading Brown, you can find dozens of reasons NOT to believe that the story was historical and why. Nevertheless, Brown explains why Matthew and Luke chose to write what they did. In brief, the conception and birth stories of Jesus were added after the impact of an oral tradition appeared soon after Jesus died that he resurrected. Whoever wrote the Matthew gospel propped up the resurrection story that Jesus became "God" in heaven by reworking some Old Testament scriptures to "show" that Jesus was from the line of David, thus "king" and that he was conceived by the power of God directly, thus the son of God or God. Matthew was writing for Jewish and Gentile converts around 75 AD. By then, most Jews rejected the Jesus legend and Gentiles were joining in large numbers. Smart Jews then (as they do today) were "deprogramming" new converts by showing how the Jesus story did not jive with OT scriptures as Matthew and Luke tried to prove. The song Ave Maria, no matter how awed you might be after hearing it, proves nothing.
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How does all this "hermeneutics" apply to RSE? Hundreds of ex-members over the decades have asked me, "Why can't or doesn't the government do something about this cult stuff? Courts will prosecute fraud, abuse, and tax evasion when it applies to cult leaders and members, but it has to be based on case law. The US courts protect freedom of speech (allegedly) that includes freedom of religion. Ramtha's "theology" is just as protected as "Jesus" theology or "Moses" theology no matter how unhistorical or made up it all is. Marshal McLuhan in 1967 wrote that "Art is anything you can get away with." Think of Ramtha as an art form. It may be disgusting, batsh*t crazy, and even manipulative, but no one can take away the right of a museum to pay $20,000,000 for a Jackson Pollock painting. And with this current administration, batsh*t crazy is the in thing to buy. The tiny Ramtha cult is free to flow into the sunset and burn out with or without your help.
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