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Hi,

Really busy at the moment, catch up with you later to reply at the last posts...

Found a horoscope about Ramtha, was interesting to read...

http://www.ccrsdodona.org/m_dilemma/198 ... night.html

Maybe you already found it ages ago...

Post to you soon,

P

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Hi Pete, I was glad to see that your posting of going to the follow -up was just foolin' around. It saved me from writing the second half of a response I had been working on to try and understand your thought process in making your decision. For some of us, we put time and effort into our responses...

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Pete, the "sense of humor" was MY point ;-) in response to your post. I know David is really looking forward to having a chat with you ! I hope it all works out. As for your comment that you've been self disclosing, and we have not...we know more about you than you do about us...well...ho...

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Caterpillar wrote:Hey EMO

Thanks for the laugh. I thought the thread didn't make sense.

Is your name/address real?

I enjoyed Brussels - only been once.

Caterpillar

Glad you had a laugh with it

Enjoy the summer...!

Pete

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If you are ever in my country: Do let me know if you need something, place to stay, information, cup of tea... Ill give you my adres: Peter Jelena Het Heike 17 3550 Heusden-Zolder Or Skype me @ petestarling@gmail.com I know Brussels and the other major cities well, so dont hesitate to contact me... ...

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Well on that note....:roll: I will recommend to the moderators to lock this thread. Its high time we started new topic.. (NPD) 'Narcissistic Personality Disorder' on EMF. Fasten your seat belts, we will be passing through some turbulence here...! David. Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wi...

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Hi Greetz Pete, Were you feeling lonely on this thread ? Awww!! You weren't feelin' the love ? What do you want ? What do you need ? Tell us more ... about you ! There are lots of threads on EMF, Pete. Only a few of them are "active" at any given time. This one, too, will have "talke...

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Enlighten me objectively Pete, Oh, did I mention I registered for the follow up event? Would you care to elaborate why you would post something so disingenuous ?.. David. I had a few reasons... To keep this tread alive because nobody was posting To see what kind of reactions I would get... testing....

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Hello EMO 'Oh, did I mention I registered for the followup event?' Do you mean the Follow-up in Yelm in Sep or Oct? You are very organized as it's months away. There are no refunds or transfers if you have paid. I can understand why you would want to explore the teachings more. I'm sure the others ...

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David McCarthy wrote:Great..
Thank you

No problemo, I have 6 $ left from my trip to Yelm, send me your adress as well and you can have those as my part in the conversation... Ill send you a nice postcard.

Pete

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David,

Thats ok if you want it this way, but lets agree on a certain hour...

I can have that conversation from tomorrow afternoon...

Ive send you an email with my cell phone number, mail me when, so I can keep some time free in my agenda tomorrow... or the day after...

Greetz,

Pete

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unbound wrote:EMO,
I truly do wish you an easy path.

Wish you the same mate

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skype is wonderful.. I recommend it to everyone. I prefer a regular phone line for our conversation though. If you wish... you can Email me your Tel #. I will call you. LARSE@Ywave.com thanks... David David, I dont have a fix line where I live... And calling to my cell will be very expensive... but...

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maybe you two can use skype as it would be a very long distance call! Sure... I have a Skype adress... exciting !!!! Why do you wanna call me? Are you still thinking Im going to join RSE? Never used Skype intercontinental but used it when I was in Berlin, works great, and costs you nothing, from PC...

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EMO, You say that you are "planning to go for the compassionate way as well..." but I am not clear on what you mean. What do you refer to when you say "As well"? Compassionate way and__________? I ment that Im not following RSE in their way of making the world a better place, I ...

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So let me explain that: I think when you learn how it works, you come to a junction in your life, and that both ways lead to the same point, only one of them is shorter than the other one. So, you can have the selfish way or the compassionate and love your enviroment way, and have the same things a...

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My tread is sleeping, cannot agree with that... Oh, did I mention I registered for the followup event? Your Pal, Pete Highway to the danger zone! Hope you're kidding. I was in that "trap" as well, thinking "Oh, I'll learn more next time." I learned, but it wasn't about teachings...

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My tread is sleeping, cannot agree with that...

Oh, did I mention I registered for the followup event?

Your Pal,

Pete

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interestingly your frequency explanation is a more coherent summary of jz's ramtha's Manifestation Intensives in the late 80's - just before the C&E and "School" thing started. ... And if it is true what you describe - isn't it like nuclear power and stem cell research and nanotechnol...

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And yeah, there is no polarity anymore in a certain frequencies of vibration Pete, as far as I know a vibration is an oscillatory movement moving in opposing directions. if there is no more polarity, would it not cease to be a vibration? What exactly is the certain frequency you are referring to? W...

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HI Journeythroughramthaland, Welcome back! Answered your questions: I have been away and out of touch with the board for a while and have been reading your posts and your evolving interest in RSE. I have some questions and will try to keep them simple. What makes you feel/think you are capable of de...

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Its also difficult to maintain that higher state of vibration, when you come in contact with people that vibrate at a lower level, one should be able to do diciplines, or exercises, like i.e. Yoga, meditation, be positive,... and I think thats the state where you can combine them more easily... But...

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What I also found very interesting was that girl of Australia. She predicted 51 out of 52 cards while our group was watching, and I also read the story of Roald Dahl, bought the book in that quantum caf?, and it is exactly the same thing that she did, she states the candle focus helped her to do tha...

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While in RSE I was driven by a belief system that was brainwashed into my consciousness. A red flag for me was that we were taught to command the lord God of our being in our affirmations (i.e., the list). That always made be uncomfortable as prior to Ramtha I turned within to God for direction, no...

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Greg's own son doesn't go to RSE!?!? no. the oldest son does not, and has not for quite some time. He is very "cool" about it though and sais, "whatever makes my dad happy. I am happy for him if he is happy." His son is not judgemental in regards to what his father is doing. Ver...

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Greg's own son doesn't go to RSE!?!? no. the oldest son does not, and has not for quite some time. He is very "cool" about it though and sais, "whatever makes my dad happy. I am happy for him if he is happy." His son is not judgemental in regards to what his father is doing. Ver...

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Pete - you probably haven't seen the posts where people who have experienced jz's ramtha expressed their valuing of their experiences and learning. I still, almost 20 years later, apply lessons learned there. And I quickly add - as someone long ago posted here - some people who were in Hitler's con...

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this is getting too weird for me. I merely posted what pete commented about his own critical thinking skills. I will not start a diatribe by re quoting what he did in his original post. He doesn't practice anyway in the "practice" section. Maybe he changed his brain in 2 weeks. wtf? you 2...

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Whatcha writes: "When Rambler doesn't show up, one common thought amongst students is that they didn't do the Great Work well enough, seriously enough, with enough dedication, blahblahblah. They blame themselves. Perhaps it never occurs to them, to hold the teacher accountable." Guess the...

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[/quote]Okay, deal. ;-) The candle focus and walk aren't JZ's inventions. One can learn them elsewhere. She did a "package deal swipe" of so many practices and ideas belonging to others. So the "disciplines" taught aren't RSE's to begin with... That, imo, is important to be aware...

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the show is impressive.not showing peorsonal up is just to make you strive forward to be part of bc.you will find the desire growing in you to come back to restore the spirituall uplifting feeling you get through all the "work".thats the first programing. please forgive this metapher but ...

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[color=#] In that case, THEY LOST THEMSELVE A STUDENT AT RSE, I REFUSE TO GIVE UP MY TEACHER AT MY MEDITATION CENTRE IN BELGIUM!!!!!!! Pete, this is spot on. One can have *no* other teacher if one is in RSE. I witnessed a woman taken down by another student due to this. The woman who was verbally a...

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DONT tell me Ramtha is my teacher, Im a boeddhist, my teacher is SN Goenka, look him up on the internet... So lets quit this childish behaviour and keep this board open-minded, you know very well I agree for almost 100% with the members here on the board... EMO - I've studied Buddhism, as well. Ask...

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EMO states: I would go back to have a long talk with good old Ramtha, but have already got my insights, and am not willing to spend a ridiculous ammount of money" Actually, JZ was selling "time" with one-on-one with her Ramtha persona. I don't know what the going rate is these days. ...

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::raises hand:: Agrees with Whatcha and David. The pattern is clear to some, yet not to all. EMO - ask yourself why you feel attacked? One person was simply asking objective questions. You were not attacked, from an objective standpoint. These are real and difficult questions to answer. It might hit...

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Hi Pete ..and thanks for posting on EMF. I think I understand the desire to go to RSE to see for yourself what it is like ?and I appreciate you telling us about your experiences there and for being open to continuing the dialogue. Having said that, I want to be clear that I hold the same opinions a...

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Dear EMF, Hope you realize now that I agree with you on state of affairs regarding RSE, but that I like you to respect the fact that I am free to explore that place, to get the good things out of it, and to have my own opinion about it... I am really happy to read your postings, enjoy the conversati...

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Could someone enlighten me about getting those colours right? pete- highlight the area you want to quote or make in another color. in the font color box, just click the color you want. that's it. then continue typing. When I select and coulour something, the text fades out, and when I click somewhe...

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so EMO is not quite clear yet in his thinking. [color=#] Shame on you :shock: And does not believe critical thinking to be a vital life skill. [color=#] I had more of my intuition, but dont reject critical thinking either... Thus sets the stage for his further answers. Everyone is demanding answers ...

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I appreciate your posting Pete - it's led me to some interesting thoughts and perspectives. And I do believe you came here sincerely in question. You must forgive us "Mothers"/Brothers/Sisters = your "Elders" re the ramtha experience. It was 90percent predictable that you would g...

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DONT tell me Ramtha is my teacher, Im a boeddhist, my teacher is SN Goenka, look him up on the internet... So lets quit this childish behaviour and keep this board open-minded, you know very well I agree for almost 100% with the members here on the board... EMO, In concern for the directions you hav...

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thanks for posting again after your event.when i read your post i started to write back and got lost.the emberessing thing is i would have argued the same way after my beginner.i was convinced too that there is someone else at home in jz.but watching her closer over the years and especialy in not m...

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AD60 said, "And why should the healthy intelligent people be encouraged to be participant in a cult, but not the unhealthy? Everyone, intelligent stupid centered crazy drug free and drug addicted have been harmed by their participation. Should only people in good physical condition cut their a...

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Opinions need not to be respected on EMF, but to respectfully disagree with another opinion is...! Just as...All people deserve respect, but not all ideas do. [color=#] Dont agree with that, all people deserve respect, without any doubt, not all ideas do, I think you are wrong about that, you can di...

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[color=#] Okey a lively debate it is :-) Remember though Im not Pro-RSE, Im against RSE, but did enjoy the things Ive learned at my retreat, and Im in it for the conversation... Lets sort things out Whatc hamacallit:[/color] I didn't ask you to leave; my post wasn't about that. I asked you a sincere...

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Pete posted, "Wow, my eyes were wide open when I read your post... You wander why I am still posting here? :arrow: Just ask me to leave and you will never hear from me again... I am convinced about RSE? Didnt you read I see RSE as a cult, dont agree on their policy, feel sorry for all the peop...

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EMO said, "I agree with you on kindness, the loving way... and I dont get what the Conan-approach is all about, but find it very amusing nevertheless... " A few comments: * As the teachings go, the first three seals would be the territory in which the "Conan-approach" would be b...

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Hi EMO, Good to read your comments and others and now you have your own insight into the school you may realise that even though there is areas of unsettled feelings that it all is not a waste of time and somethings are worth exploring for the experience,My advise keep one foot in and one foot out ...

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But my point here is if HE or THEY lie about manifestating HOW DO YOU KNOWN WHEN THEY TELLING THE TRUTH. Ramtha Has made many predictions ,told us that he will lie to us to get us there. WHEN DO WE KNOW HE IS TELLING THE TRUTH One more thing you admited that the school was a cult,when you are going...

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Pete - you said: "Critical thinking didnt get me very far, it is not 'seeing things as they are', it doesnt help you to be without judgement, nor does it help you to leave certain things unanswered... Instead it keeps you separate from your own intuition, and makes you believe that the mind ha...

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pete, for now i will just say that i'm encouraged to know that 10% of you doesn't believe in rse/ramtha/jz. that's a ray of hope. also encouraging to know you still feel compassion toward others, and it invokes your sadness and anger. good news. that means that you haven't succumbed (yet) to the no...

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I had as example experience today at KMart. An 87 y old lady beat me to a shopping cart, then proceeded to have a tongue tied interaction with the cashier after separate shopping excursions. Little did I know at the time she was 87 because she looked 60 and was as sharp as a tac!! Anyway, the cashi...

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Hi Pete, Glad you enjoyed your trip to Yelm! And thanks for posting your notes on your experience. Really interesting point about how a school really serious about bringing about enlightenment would do better at screening the mentally unstable - hadn't considered that before and point well taken. I...

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thanks for sharing Pete... ... Interesting re your 90percent belief in Ramtha when the very next thing you say is that you didn't get to talk to him. If you were in JZ's shoes being Ramtha and there was someone like you at an event so sincere and centered and intelligent etc who had friends he coul...

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Oldone wrote:Since you are not going to move to Yelm are you planning to prepare for TDTC or you do not really buy in to that ?

Nah, would spoil my future woudnt it...

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First you did not get the chance to talk to the big guy,if you would have had that opportunity Did you have questions prepared? and if so can you share those questions with us. Actually, I had a whole list of questions, wandering around inside my head, I did not prepare these questions before I wen...

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Hi Oldone, Let me clarify that: BEFORE they let anyone even set foot into that school! With the most disastrous consequences... That made me sick... I don't need to explain why. A great deal of people are seeking for a solution for their life, that has become so complexed with trauma, addiction, neg...

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Hello Everyone, Yeah... Here it goes... an objective report on RSE... before I begin, I'd love to thank all of the members and wish them hapiness in their lives after RSE... Life is what you make of it, it's up to you if you want to see the good or the bad in this school, for those who can't see any...

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Hi EMF! I returned safely yesterday, but suffered from jet lag, and had to sleep off the tiredness.. During the day I'm seeing my friends and tonight I'm writing a full report of the things I've witnessed over there... will write it proporly instead of doing this now, so tonight it will be my turn t...

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They will eventually... question is how long will that take... http://www.viewzone.com/aging.html The thing is, if we find out the secret of immortality, is there any need for God then, and religion, there is no need for that anymore if they find that out... Also Ramtha wont be of any further assist...

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Almost forgot, The writer of that document is: F Floor Bunnik, a dutch guy, didnt find much info on him on the internet though.. But he claims to have written 4 books in the end of that document. The document im translating would be from his 5th book, he died in 2006... 1e boek verscheen in 1983 get...

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From wikipedia: "Spalding discussed quantum physics years before mainstream science picked up on it. He was reported to have had contact with Albert Einstein, Nikola Tesla and Charles Proteus Steinmetz and is said to have taught Tesla and Thomas Edison about the vibrational nature of the unive...

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Greetings Master, (just kidding) Hi everybody! I started to translate that document I found with scientific evidence about the content of 'masters of the far east' Apparently, the book is full of scientific facts that were only to be discovered about 3 to 60 years after it was published in 1925... M...

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Tree, Are you from Seattle? How about we meet up next week and have some beers? I'm buying, Im sure I will enjoy having conversation with you. One of the important things I learned in life is not to judge other people, even if Ramtha the enlightened one turns out to be a fraud, even then I wont be j...

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Beyond the RSE topic, I do hope you get to spend some time visiting Seattle ! Mount Rainier is a site to behold, too. We drove up there with our kids, in May. We could only go so far, because the huge snowplows were busy moving piles of snow off the roads up there. Walls of snow that were higher th...

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"3. Im well prepared by EMF, dont worry..." Pete - Although you're "well prepared," I have an additional caution for you: Before your event concludes, you will be ENTICED/LURED to either stay for the next event, or commit to a future event where the great secret (or something al...

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Okay, so you just go right ahead and attend the event, you silly if not stubborn, curious guy. (teasing & humor) I do agree with you that it will be an experience. I'll agree with "Ramtha" who has also said many times that once we have an experience, it's already in the brain chemical...

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One thing that I will gently mention here, is something I noticed as I read through the thread. When *you* say that you are going no matter what, because you already spent the money, it made me think, "Yikes!!!" Agree on that, thats no excuse to go through with it, I could spend my week i...

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Well, I'd be delighted, even honored, to have a word in private with Ramtha the enlightened one. I have my ways to tell if someone is telling the truth or not. My advice to them: keep up or go home. If he is an imposter, I WILL notice... Dont you even think about fooling me... I also suggest they ha...

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Just like xtc, I think RSE kills a fair amount of brain cells. Why would one want to voluntarily do that up front? knowing the group is a cult? Yeah, it did kill lots of it :D Good thing that they grow back in time! And yeah you're right, I didnt know it was a cult when I registered for that event,...

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Tree wrote:
Also, if they should try monitoring me, that would only prove they are a cult. Dont you think?
the only thing is EMO, you will not know they are doing such.
Having been former staff member, I have a few insights.

Tell me more...

Did you remember that book yet?

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Tree, Thanks for your replies... Im really interested in that book that has the interview with Balding saying he never visited the far east. Do you remember the title or the writer?? Also, if they should try monitoring me, that would only prove they are a cult. Dont you think? :-) That would be grea...

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Hi Joe, You seem to have an excellent taste for wine... And a nice example of how much time does it take before you decide whats tasty, or whats cr*p... And I think we both agree that we can only make a decision after the experience, no matter how long that takes for a person. But my point is this: ...

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RSE uses doomsday/endtimes pressure to get you to jump onto the train. Once on, you may be going too fast to feel comfortable getting off because there is no stop to the ride. It will go on and on veering around bends and switching tracks until it or you dies. Jump off and you could get hurt. You w...

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Allright, Cheers to that as well! Got some straight answers already... But wasnt the whole idea of analogical vs binairy mind (got it out of his book) that one should experience the subject, in this case, knowledge, for themselves, because in that case, and I see the same philosophy in boeddhism, th...

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Hi, Thanks for the replies, especially yours Tree, you seem a very straight guy to me. I have some questions for you: -The masters of the far east is like th? book on spirituallity/esoterie, how did you discover that this is a work of fiction? -The sientific study.. are you talking about the sientif...

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Still waiting for some thoughts, been reading some topics, they are really disturbing... :? Found out that there are people who really have cut off contact with loved ones to dig a hole and hamster food? Jeeesh, what were you thinking? Was that your idea of 'become a remarkable life'? How did they g...

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Hello, I have some questions regarding the beginning retreat of RSE, I am NOT a RSE student yet, but my beginning retreat is sceduled beginning of March. It seemed wise to share some thoughts before going to Yelm, although I am definatly going, since I already booked the flight and the place in the ...

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